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Jamison Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | Seeking Advice about land rover Hello all. Hope everyone had a great holiday! First and foremost I am curious about a good Land Rover community online. I know many of you have experience with them and was hoping you could point me in the right direction of a good forum with regards to the Range Rover in particular. I figure if I cant get a G for a reasonalbe amount then I will look at the next best thing as I am beginning to need a 4x4 due to PA winters and the fact that I live on a farm and need 4WD quite often. My 5'er doesnt quite cut it in the snow and its not such a great vehicle to go shooting in/trekking around the mud and snow. What is everybodys thoughts on Land Rover? Im leaning towards a Range Rover at this point but dont worry guys the G will always be my favorite haha. Sorry for the off topic post but I thought you guys would be a good place to start. Thanks! | ||
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Steve D Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Denver, CO Vehicle(s): 1984 280GE cabrio; 2011 Ford Expedition Posts: 112 | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover Try http://www.roversnorth.com or http://www.discoweb.org . I am sure there are many others. | ||
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460332 Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Europe Vehicle(s): | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover Are you sure what you're doing? Thinking about the traditions in british engineering... In a hurry; 1. Pinzgauer 2. Volvo C303 3. Geländewagen 4. Toyota Landcruiser 5. Toyota Hilux 4x4 6. Volvo C202 7. Mitsubishi Pajero 8. Nissan Patrol 9. Lada Niva 10. Ford.. 11. Jeep..? 12. Range Rover 13. UAZ, Gaz 14. Land Rover 15. Haflinger is to small Edited by 460332 12/29/2006 7:37 PM | ||
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smalk Member Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Bend, Oregon USA Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, 2004 Audi A8L, Posts: 29 | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover Having owned a couple of Rovers, I can say that they are a really nice car/truck. Do your research! I have owned my current 1999 4.6 for just over 2 years and have spent close to $8000 on repairs! By the way...I have just put it up for sale. PM me if interested. Here's a couple of places to check: RangeRovers.net LandRoversonly.com Good Luck! | ||
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mortinson Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Madrid, España Vehicle(s): '98 G300TD LWB, '98 E300TD Saloon Posts: 1355 | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover Jamison, I shall try to reply as politely as you asked your question. Would you compare any Ford to any Mercedes? Why do people insist in comparing Range Rovers/Land Rovers to GWagens? Follow the advice contained in one of the previous posts and get yourself a Landcruiser, a Pajero or a Patrol if you haven't got the cash to buy and keep a GWagen, but don't waste your hard earned cash on a Rover. Just my 2 cents
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mortinson Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Madrid, España Vehicle(s): '98 G300TD LWB, '98 E300TD Saloon Posts: 1355 | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover mortinson - 12/30/2006 10:46 AM Jamison, I shall try to reply as politely as you asked your question and excuse me if I appeared rude in my previous post, but every time I discuss about those ghastly things I get an alergic reaction! | ||
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roughneck Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: UK, Germany & USA Vehicle(s): 270 cdi.300 GD 300 GE.lwb 300 GE.swb. Disco 2 Posts: 4398 | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover I have driven many Land Rovers and owned a few types too, Some of the terrains and tasks have been extreme and LR have rarley let me down, if they have they have been reasonably easy to fix and parts have been easy to get. They have their place and there are pros and cons, I think Mort was run down by one when he was a kid thats the only explanation I have for his reaction, Just don't expect the same quality or cost of MB products, As for the earlier smart remark about British Engineering I will deal with it thus, The British did not invent the wheel but they did invent the differential, the disc brake, the jet engine the computor and discovered DNA, the steam engine,how to make things from Iron & steel, the list is long. | ||
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Dr. Rob Veteran Date registered: Nov 2006 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Vehicle(s): 280GE LWB, 280E Ambulance Posts: 216 | Re: Seeking Advice about land rover Really. I didn't know Lawn Raiders were disliked by anyone. Kind of had a hankering for one myself. Can honestly say that it was a tossup between that and a Gwagen. What are the not-so-good points? I think a hugely attractive point for those of us who can't afford brand-new stuff, is an imressive availability of replacement parts and modular construction offering simple service. Haven't actually had the chance to compare side-by side, but will definitely do so at first chance. | ||
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Luky Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Bratislava, Slovakia, EU Vehicle(s): 300GE LWB auto, E320CDI 4M, VW Polo Classic 1.6 Posts: 1062 | Re: Seeking Advice about land rover Our police has a lot(about 50) of Defenders on the border with Ukraine. The company which sells them to the state also sells and repairs Unimogs and Gs, so time to time I also visit this company. Every time I see some Defenders standing infront of the building and waiting for a repair. The biggest number I have seen was about 20 cars(form 50). As far as I know they have 2 models- an older from late 90s, this seems to be quite reliable, the oldest has about 450000 kms on the clock, in 10 years. That is quite an impressive number even for a G. The problem is that only a few cars are from this model. Most of them are newer cars 03 or 04 to 06. Such cars seem to be a complete disaster. Every time something is repaired, another thing breaks down. I have also heard, that every time, when you want to cross s terrain obstacle, you have to press the brake pedal three times to disable the stabilisation system. Edited by Luky 12/30/2006 9:22 AM | ||
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Skyline Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover mortinson - 12/30/2006 4:46 AM Jamison, I shall try to reply as politely as you asked your question. Would you compare any Ford to any Mercedes? Why do people insist in comparing Range Rovers/Land Rovers to GWagens? Follow the advice contained in one of the previous posts and get yourself a Landcruiser, a Pajero or a Patrol if you haven't got the cash to buy and keep a GWagen, but don't waste your hard earned cash on a Rover. Just my 2 cents
Yes, always the same nonsens. In the last 20 years I never read a question from a Mercedes G-Wagen owner who compares his car to this nonworking English Product. Always from people who buy a cheap xy hand Rover because they cannot afford a Mercedes for whatever reason. | ||
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BusBar Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: UK. North West / Wales Vehicle(s): 463 300GDL, 460 280GEL Posts: 382 | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover Jamison, I have used and abused numerous LR’s (series 3’s and defenders). The build quality is quite simply appalling, trim, electrical, leaking oil from every orifices etc etc. They are however tuff basic machines and even the one’s I’ve broken have always got me home. In the UK there is huge after market parts / modification availability, with the associated network of garages and individuals who will help out. Although I’m sure in the USA this will not be on the same scale I would assume it is larger than that available for an older G. Over here they tend to have this poor reputation simply because they work for a living, are poorly serviced if at all and are generally abused beyond any reasonable person’s boundaries. Toyota Landcruisers etc. tend to live far more pampered lives. Beware though, if the market is anything like it is in the US as it is in the UK you can end up paying over the odds for complete junk. Despite the response to your earlier post about the suitability of an older 460 I am of the opinion that if you find the right one they are actually easy to run on a budget. They are similarly basic machines to a LR defender but so much better quality. Down side is the network of knowledgeable people and spare part availability. Edited by BusBar 12/30/2006 9:57 AM | ||
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460332 Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Europe Vehicle(s): | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover Let's rub it in a bit. ;) I always liked the Lucas jokes. (Prince of Darkness). Edited by 460332 12/30/2006 11:38 AM (LR1.jpg) Attachments ---------------- LR1.jpg (35KB - 3 downloads) | ||
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Skyline Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover 10/10 | ||
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mortinson Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Madrid, España Vehicle(s): '98 G300TD LWB, '98 E300TD Saloon Posts: 1355 | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover roughneck - 12/30/2006 2:08 PM I have driven many Land Rovers and owned a few types too, Some of the terrains and tasks have been extreme and LR have rarley let me down, if they have they have been reasonably easy to fix and parts have been easy to get. They have their place and there are pros and cons, I think Mort was run down by one when he was a kid thats the only explanation I have for his reaction, Just don't expect the same quality or cost of MB products, As for the earlier smart remark about British Engineering I will deal with it thus, The British did not invent the wheel but they did invent the differential, the disc brake, the jet engine the computor and discovered DNA, the steam engine,how to make things from Iron & steel, the list is long. ;) You are quite right Bill... Land Rovers used to be cheap of buying and cheap of running. The fact that it is now perceived as an icon has destroyed the former. It's appalling build quality has destroyed the latter. I have to say though that if GWagens didn't exist, I'd probably own a Series IIA or a Series III LR with Japanese engine, American diffs, aftermarket springs, shocks, rims, bumpers, seats, overdrive.... Hey, hang on a second.... Where is the Landie? But I would still display my recently gained British humour and have Union Jacks on both front fenders and a sticker at the rear reading: "Land Rover, The Best 4x4xfar".... Having said this, I wholeheartedly agree with the long list of important things to mankind invented by us Brits (excuse me but I feel British as well). The problem is lately when it comes to actually "making" things... we end up like Rover as "The English Patient" (as BMW used to call it when they owned it). | ||
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T.Schuhe Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Olympia, Washington State, USA Vehicle(s): 460 1985 LWB 300GD five speed Posts: 711 | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover Lucus humor items - excellent. You had a couple I had never heard before...and I owned Triumph sports cars in the 1960's. From the TR manual: "At intervals of 10,000 miles, remove the cylinder head in order to de-carbonize the piston tops, combustion chambers, and valves." There is the observation that the battery is located at the highest point in the TR because of the hydro-electric theory of electricity employed by Lucus - power flows best down hill. roughneck: You might feel LR parts are cheap. I have two thoughts about that: 1. You live close to the parts source, thus cheaper. 2. And, the parts are cheap because you will need a lot of them. Where I live (a small sample I know), Landrovers (from 1950's to the newest 2007's) are more commonly towed to the nearest LR mechanic than any other vehicle, expect perhaps, Saabs. Oh, there is the one neigbor who insists on driving a 2004 dark green, London Taxi - diesel. I like the dark green leather with bright yellow-orange trim - :ohno: But, her vehicle, "Nigel" is towed with regularity. In spite of Landrover's distractors and ills, there are many in my neck of the woods. The owners love them, but all complain about the cost of dealer repairs, parts cost, poor mileage, the frequent events of being stranded somewhere, and being towed. I have for years noted that LR has done a great job, at least historically, of selling this product. In fact, the whole civilan SUV rage is attribitable to LR and their ability to sell the concept of adventure. I have tapes of the history of the LR's birth and evolution. These are great fun videos. The hunting lodge dealerships in the US (now mostly gone), were masterful tools for telling the LR story. The Brits do this much better than Americans or Germans. Can you imagine a pile of rocks to drive over, and a log cabin sales-show room building, next to a Mercedes-Benz dealership? DB/DC could have easily touted the history of the 4x4, since they produced such vehicles for many years prior to first LR. Unfortunately, the great technological leaps of DBAG were besmugged by WW I and WW II. Having said that, VW's were able to overcome historical impediments with ease. | ||
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Jamison Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | Re: Seeking Advice about land rover Thanks all for your input! | ||
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BusBar Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: UK. North West / Wales Vehicle(s): 463 300GDL, 460 280GEL Posts: 382 | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover The Lucas stuff is always worth a giggle. Plus the one about the 1999 RR. Enjoyed that one too. However its worth noting that this is the one to avoid. The P38. Strangely enough the one that appeared during the BMW fiasco. I believe there are fixes to sort out the cylinder liner problem. Edited by BusBar 12/30/2006 4:09 PM | ||
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roughneck Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: UK, Germany & USA Vehicle(s): 270 cdi.300 GD 300 GE.lwb 300 GE.swb. Disco 2 Posts: 4398 | Re: Seeking Advice about land rover Dr. Rob - 12/30/2006 1:22 PM What are the not-so-good points? I think it fair to say that the difference between a G and a LR is that a G is designed to keep the oil in and the water out !!! Edited by roughneck 12/30/2006 4:18 PM | ||
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VonEpp W124 Host Date registered: Sep 2006 Location: Australia Vehicle(s): w114, w124 & w460 Posts: 357 | Re: Seeking Advice about land rover That Lucas post was gold, is there a way we can rate it? 5-star to 460332. I believe Mortinson hit the nail on the head - you can't compare a G-wagen to a Land Rover, they may look similar (if you squint in the dark) but in reality they are streets apart. Personally I like Land Rovers though - I guess their inherrant self-destruction is part of their charm. LR owners seem to love them; I guess they're one of those cars you either love or you hate. | ||
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roughneck Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: UK, Germany & USA Vehicle(s): 270 cdi.300 GD 300 GE.lwb 300 GE.swb. Disco 2 Posts: 4398 | RE: Seeking Advice about land rover Oh yes, and the Hovercraft, tobbaco, the spitfire, television, telephone, the motorcycle, the Jaguar car, | ||
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