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Wolfgang Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | Mercedes M-Class on the Dakar 2009 Since the year 2000 the MLs participated on the Dakar, and won their category, production vehicles, twice, in 2000 and again in 2003. This year only one ML is in the running. More: Dakar 2009 Edited by Wolfgang 1/10/2009 2:06 PM | ||
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cmitch Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Ala-Tenn Vehicle(s): 2002 ML320, 2005 S430 4Matic, 2010 F150 Super Crew Posts: 3412 | RE: Mercedes M-Class on the Dakar 2009 I wonder if the unibody W164 could even compete? The W163 is a true off-roader. | ||
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Wolfgang Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: Mercedes M-Class on the Dakar 2009 cmitch - 1/10/2009 12:41 PM I wonder if the unibody W164 could even compete? The W163 is a true off-roader. So far - not successfully. Also interesting how many diesels are leading as of now, at halftime, in the overall, 7 of 10! 1.301 SAINZ-PERIN Volkswagen 00 23h42'40"00 126.6 km/h 1 1 diesel 2.305 DE VILLIERS-VON Volkswagen 00 23h42'49"00 + 00'09"00 2 2 diesel 3.308 MILLER-PITCHFOR Volkswagen 00 23h56'33"00 + 13'53"00 3 3 diesel 4.304 ROMA-CRUZ SENRA Mitsubishi 00 24h11'56"00 + 29'16"00 4 4 diesel 5.309 GORDON-GRIDIER Hummer 00 24h51'01"00 + 1h08'21" 5 5 6.317 HOLOWCZYC-FORTI Nissan 00 26h22'12"00 + 2h39'32" 6 6 7.327 TOLLEFSEN-EVANS Nissan 00 26h42'01"00 + 2h59'21" 7 7 8.315 TERRANOVA-GUEHE BMW 00 27h47'33"00 + 4h04'53" 8 8 diesel 9.307 DEPPING-GOTTSCH Volkswagen 00 28h30'23"00 + 4h47'43" 9 9 diesel 10.330 KUIPERS-PALMEIR BMW 00 28h42'31"00 + 4h59'51" 10 10 diesel | ||
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Ed Mclass Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Nashville, Tennessee Vehicle(s): 1958 180a, 2010 GLK, 2000 G 500, 2005 SLK 350 Posts: 1215 | Re: Mercedes M-Class on the Dakar 2009 Any G's or GL's? | ||
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kenyee Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | Re: Mercedes M-Class on the Dakar 2009 Woohoo! And they're *still* using the W163 chassis! I hope MB is at least wondering whyyyy ;-) | ||
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Wolfgang Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | Re: Mercedes M-Class on the Dakar 2009 kenyee - 1/15/2009 6:52 AM Woohoo! And they're *still* using the W163 chassis! I hope MB is at least wondering whyyyy ;-) After trying twice and failing with a W164 based prototype, the officially sponsered Mercedes Fleetboard team with Ellen Lohr is using two Mitsubishi Pajeros this year. The thiinking was that Mitsubishi won the overall for the last 13 years and be suitable for this task. Mercedes is playing catchup once again, since Mitsubishi is not winning this year. | ||
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Wolfgang Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: Mercedes M-Class on the Dakar 2009 HISTORIC VICTORY FOR DE VILLIERS AND VOLKSWAGEN! Pending validation by the race stewarts, South-African driver Giniel De Villiers has won the 31st Dakar; it is his first success in the rally-raid but - more importantly - it is also the first victory for Volkswagen and for a diesel engine on teh world’s king of rally-raids. It is even a double victory for the German manufacturer as US driver Mark Miller (VW) finishes second in the standings at 8’59". The last one on the podium is US driver Robby Gordon (Hummer), ranking 3rd but finishing with a 1h46’15 delay on the winning duet. De Villiers’ victory is full of panache: indeed, the South-African won the last stage - the 10th stage victory for VW out of the 13 stages in total in the raid (!) - 2" ahead of Russia’s Leonid Novitskiy (BMW). On the production side, it is French driver Nicolas Gibon (Toyota) who finishes first in the general standings and wins the raid. http://www.dakar.com/2009/DAK/RIDERS/us/equipage/305.html A well deserved victory, by a great team, I must add. VW races a 2.5 liter diesel. Robby Gordon a 7 liter V8 gasser. Our guys did well. They finished a very tough Dakar. Congratulations to Jean-Pascal Besson and Yves Kornstein for a job well done! http://www.dakar.com/2009/DAK/RIDERS/us/equipage/381.html Jpe Strugo who won the Dakar with the ML430 in the production class in 2000 and 2003, dropped out this year. He was driving a Nissan, and may have been regretting his choice. Who knows, maybe we'll see him back with a W163 one of these days. | ||
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kenyee Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: Mercedes M-Class on the Dakar 2009 Wolfgang - 1/17/2009 12:42 PM What in the world kind of VW is that? I was expecting to see a hacked up Touareg since they use hacked up W163's. | ||
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martin Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Del Mar, CA Isles of Scilly, UK Vehicle(s): 99 G500 95 E300D 95 R1100GS 06 K1200R Posts: 297 | RE: Mercedes M-Class on the Dakar 2009 Wolfgang, You forgot to mention that the VW's are full time 4WD with an unrestricted turbo diesel engine whereas the Hummer is 2WD and has a restrictor plate engine. Not really an apples to apples comparison. -Martiin | ||
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Wolfgang Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: Mercedes M-Class on the Dakar 2009 Martin, the Race Touaregs are required to have air restrictors as well, smaller ones with 38 mm diameter this year. All competitors are required to run them (to reduce fatalities). The 2009 regulations should be online in the competitor section of www.dakar.com. Some specs: http://www.volkswagen-motorsport.com/web/tabellen/index.php?SID&fla... | ||
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