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722.6 Transmission Advice
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Posted 3/29/2013 12:35 AM
AlanMcR
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722.6 Transmission Advice

So, after 212K miles of flawless performance, my transmission acts up. 

Yesterday it went into electronic limp mode with DTC codes 008 and 104, which translate to problems with the R/P solenoid in the console shifter.  I cleared the codes, but a few miles later it went back into limp mode.  Notably it started limping during a fast/bumpy turn.  Sure enough, opening up the console I find a wire (the cigarette lighter bulb harness had come loose) and some metal shavings (totally my fault) right up against the connector for that solenoid.  Codes cleared.  Happy days, right?

Well, after a days driving, it goes back into limp mode.  Grrr.  Must have missed some of the shavings, I thought.  But no!  Now it is showing DTC 013 and 109, which translate to problems with RPM sensor M3 inside the transmission.  Eh?!?  Normally these codes are caused by problems with the electrical conductor plate, a known weak spot on the 722.6.

So, now I'm left wondering, do I have a computer problem where it is throwing random DTCs? Or, did going into limp mode several times (very harsh shift into 2nd from 4th) damage the electrical conductor plate? 

Thoughts on how to proceed?



Edited by AlanMcR 3/29/2013 2:20 AM
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Posted 3/29/2013 10:08 AM
hipine



Date registered: Jul 2006
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RE: 722.6 Transmission Advice

All I could offer is to verify external connections first (easy stuff), this being your damp season when high impedence paths are prone to develop, then progress to more likely suspects before lesser ones. But I did forward your excellent description to a friend much more knowledgable than I and will let you know what he says.

All the best,

-Dave G.
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Posted 3/29/2013 12:37 PM
hipine



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RE: 722.6 Transmission Advice

I hope this means something helpful to you, it's all I can get.

Dave , Replacing the Conductor Plate as well as the harness fitting p/n 203 540 0253 would be consistent with speed sensor problems , When looking at actual speed sensor RPM we often see 8,000 RPM on a defective conductor plate , at idle should read engine RPM 500-700 RPM, Hope this helps . Mark

Good luck!
-Dave G.
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Posted 3/29/2013 1:15 PM
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RE: 722.6 Transmission Advice

Thanks.  Sadly the problem seems to be intermittent.  A half hour of city and freeway traffic went problem free.  Not even any pending codes.  My diagnostic system (Autel EU702) can read and clear transmission codes, but can't retrieve operating parameters.  Just being able to clear the transmission DTCs paid for that unit.
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Posted 3/29/2013 2:20 PM
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Re: 722.6 Transmission Advice

If, after clearing the codes... and doing an ETC Re-Set, you get the same Symptoms, I would find someone with a STAR to get a more detailed exam.

Are you sure your Autel is able to clear the Limp Mode Codes?

Have you checked the "Bushing"/Plug Socket for any Leaking ATF, as well as looking at the ETC?

If everything is clean.. then I have a sneeky suspicion you Electronics Pack/Conductor Plate is on its way out...
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Posted 3/29/2013 3:29 PM
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Re: 722.6 Transmission Advice

G-AMG - 3/29/2013 11:20 AM If, after clearing the codes... and doing an ETC Re-Set, you get the same Symptoms, I would find someone with a STAR to get a more detailed exam. Are you sure your Autel is able to clear the Limp Mode Codes? Have you checked the "Bushing"/Plug Socket for any Leaking ATF, as well as looking at the ETC? If everything is clean.. then I have a sneeky suspicion you Electronics Pack/Conductor Plate is on its way out...

It definitely clears the codes.  It was in second gear limp mode and (after code clearing) went straight to normal operation.  I do agree that the conductor plate might be dying.  My current theory is that it was just waiting to fail and the extra jolt from going into limp mode pushed it over the edge.  Better at home than a thousand miles away.   The diagnostic unit is plugged in anytime I'm on the road now.  I can clear the codes at a stoplight.

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Posted 3/29/2013 4:20 PM
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Re: 722.6 Transmission Advice

Ja, very possible.. especially since the speed Sensor is on such a Flimsy "stalk". An already tenuous solder connection.. then a jolt..

I will have to dig around a bit, but I thought I remembered someone on BW stating that the Speed sensor WAS a replaceable item.

Will advise..
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Posted 3/29/2013 5:19 PM
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Re: 722.6 Transmission Advice

Alan, sorry, I must have mis-read something in one of those posts...

I thought I remembered someone actually Finding a replacement part number for the Sensor, itselft.

The more that I think about it.... there is no way I would go throught the hassle of taking our the Valve body, only to change JUST the Speed sensor....

The last one I changed, I believe was only $176 bucks for the Conductor Plate.. Just put a new one in!!

Also, use the Shell 134 ATF... it works great, is an Approved M-B fluid, and can be had for under $3 bucks a quart.
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Posted 3/30/2013 4:22 AM
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RE: 722.6 Transmission Advice

Alan,

Maybe it is time to start playing with one of these?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_WiBay-rg3oWv8VhuVyUuVJ-f22PwEzD...

JW
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Posted 3/30/2013 2:34 PM
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RE: 722.6 Transmission Advice

With all those ethernet looking ports, maybe I can dial in and mess with Alan's transmission settings while he's driving!

Good to hear from you again JW. Hope the family is well.

All the best,

-Dave G.
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Posted 3/30/2013 7:02 PM
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RE: 722.6 Transmission Advice

50 miles more of driving, and the same codes (013 and 109), pop up just as I'm pulling into the neighborhood.  Every time it has thrown a code it was in a bumpy right hand turn.  Electrical plate and adapter collar ordered.  I've got a transmission flush kit that I was just planning on using.  I'm so glad I didn't.  I would have presumed that the flush brought the problem on. 

Anyone down my way know where to get this fabled Shell 134 ATF for a reasonable price?



Edited by AlanMcR 3/30/2013 7:55 PM
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Posted 4/25/2013 4:54 PM
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Followup - mission accomplished

Well, I got the new conductor plate and pressure spring into place.  No problems in the ~200 miles driven since then.  Many thanks to G-AMG for the nice writeup .  The whole process makes one a little nervous since one is working under the vehicle on parts that need to be kept very clean. 

On the cleanliness note: What needs to be kept clean is anything past the fleece filter.  Ideally, the pan should be kept clean, but it isn't really all that critical.  How do I know this?  Well, about 100K miles ago I had an unfortunate incident on a muddy forest trail where a stick pushed the transmission filler tube up and out of the transmission.  Eventually I spotted the dribbling ATF trail and pushed it back in.   As soon as I had the right ATF, I drained the pan and refilled it, but hadn't removed the pan until now.  It turns out that quite a bit of mud and dirt got into the exposed hole before it was closed up.  The pan had ~2 tablespoons of dirt and small gravel in the bottom.  No evident effect on the transmission though.  Even the magnets were pretty clean.

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Posted 4/25/2013 8:16 PM
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Re: 722.6 Transmission Advice

How do you have a 722.6 transmission in your truck? What year is your G300DT?
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Posted 4/26/2013 1:09 PM
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RE: 722.6 Transmission Advice

In 1996, MB upgraded pretty much everything for the diesel Gs.  OM606 engine, 722.6 transmission, 15% overdrive in high range, ABS based rear brake proportioning, along with a new instrument cluster, and OBD2 (sort of).  The gas version all of that stuff arrived in 1997.
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Posted 4/29/2013 10:11 PM
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Wow with all that foreign matter in the transmission it's still going strong at 212k. Pretty cool!
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Posted 11/6/2021 12:33 PM
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Re: 722.6 Transmission Advice

G'day all, my 99 G55 has transmission issues that seem to point to a conductor plate fault.

Can someone pls confirm this is the correct and most up to date plate available before I place an order.

Conductor Plate/"Electronics Pack" 140-270-11-61

VIN - WDB4632411X117425

Thanks.
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Posted 11/8/2021 9:11 AM
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Re: 722.6 Transmission Advice

Here's what I just ordered for my 1999 G500, I believe the -80 means it's a reman part, they'd like the core back.

140-270-11-61-80

What issues are you having?

I would also suggest replacing the transmission electrical connector 203-540-02-53, replace fluid and filter, and also check your TCU for transmission fluid.

Edited by paulunm 11/8/2021 10:27 AM
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Posted 11/8/2021 12:56 PM
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Re: 722.6 Transmission Advice

Thank for the info.

I ended up buying the Febi version today as it is all that’s avail locally without needing to wait for a genuine one which will take up to 3 weeks.

It was also a quarter of the price.

Regular defaults to being stuck in 2nd gear especially after you stop or slow down, when it’s stuck in the default mode it is very harsh on the change when selecting reverse and back to drive.

So far I have been able to reset it by turning the engine off and restarting but it’s getting worse by the day and needs fairly urgent attention as I got stuck on a motorway and had to slow dawn for an accident and it defaulted to 2nd which was a real PIA.



Edited by colsG55 11/9/2021 12:43 AM
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Posted 11/8/2021 1:37 PM
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Re: 722.6 Transmission Advice

Yep, going into limp mode. If the parts I suggested don't do it, I'd replace the shifter mechanism too.

Not sure if you scanned with a SDS for codes, that could give you more specific issues to which component is causing the problem.
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Posted 11/8/2021 3:30 PM
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Re: 722.6 Transmission Advice

Yes, when I had similar symptoms on my 99 G500, it was the electronic switch in the shifter module. It is available separately. When I tried to replace just the switch, I damaged it as it is a bit tricky. I ended up installing a new shifter. Fixed all my shift problems.

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