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W5YK Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, Unimog U2450, Posts: 543 | RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible NHDave - I think the Comand is not needed for anything. I took mine out years ago with no affect. Karl - this must be very frustrating. I can't think of anything. I am going to read all your info again and think about it. I spent a lot of time on TC motor problems, maybe it will come back to my old brain as I study it. | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible Here is what I am thinking the position sensor sits inside the shift motor case when moved into LOW and driving in LOW the sensor contacts stay together when moved to HI and still neutral the sensor contacts are together and the "H" is lit in the cluster as soon as torque is applied (shifted into D) the sensor contacts open - then driving conditions are not fulfilled mechanically the gear engagement inside the TX is sufficient (indicated by the fact that the G can be driven) but under torque the gears have moved slightly and thus moved the shift fork with it, disrupting the position contact used or slightly damaged gears sometimes change position when under torque we know that all too well from diff lock teeth moving and bending the actuator pin so, I see the solution inside the transfer case High range gear mesh could be just a worn main shaft bearing (main shaft.jpg) Attachments ---------------- main shaft.jpg (112KB - 7 downloads) | ||
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AlanMcR Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, CA, Los Altos Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL Posts: 3500 | RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible Are you sure that there are any open/close contacts? These things usually operate by running the motor until the mechanism stalls, then backing off a bit. The resistance sensor shown just gives a relative position once the end points have been established. It could be that the carbon track is damaged. My EGR lift sensor was of a similar design and the track wore through in places, throwing the engine into limp-mode. Edited by AlanMcR 11/20/2019 12:12 AM | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible I am certain the direction sensor is inside the shift motor the shift motor has 6 electrical connector pins a bit much for 12V some must be tied to the sensor how about a wiring diagram? (shift motor.jpg) Attachments ---------------- shift motor.jpg (87KB - 7 downloads) | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible BMW X3 is using the same motor and it can cause weird electrical malfunctions https://www.motor-talk.de/forum/verstellmotor-am-verteilergetriebe-t... haven't found a wiring plan yet however, I have followed several German forum threads about teeth damage in the TX shifter mechanism I still think, worn teeth under torque can have an influence on the direction sensor | ||
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fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible This was part of my post from 09/09/2019: My friend Thomas and I are baffled by the following scenario: His 2006 G400 with over 300K Km broke down with a serious transmission (722.6) problem. He ordered a new built one in Germany, specific built for his G400 Diesel. After a few month the tranny arrived here in La Paz, BCS, Mexico.
Update: The German Expert Transmission Rebuilder, recommended to change out the transfer case. Thomas, not knowing better, purchased a new/ebuild TC from this guy, and after few months to get it into Mexico, he did install that "new" TC. All the TC error codes disappeared, and the TC shifted now correctly. BUT the expertly rebuilt 722.638 transmission would still not shift. Next thing, we did a driving test with the Xentry Diagnose System in the vehicle, and as you can see on the attached photo: NO output shaft rpm data! (G400 Ausgelesen Gelaende Gang.JPG) Attachments ---------------- G400 Ausgelesen Gelaende Gang.JPG (87KB - 7 downloads) | ||
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fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible The next step in this saga: Thomas ordered a new transmission output shaft sensor, from the MB dealer here in La Paz, Mexico. Again it took weeks before the item arrived here, and he had the new sensor with its long harness installed there. NOT solving the shifting problems......transmission stays in one gear and the Xentry read out shows : NO LIMP MODE Back to the MB guy, he is looking for the B56/1 Relay Unit, eventual did find it at the rear SAM unit, and checking/testing all the wiring interfaces. Everything is fine, now it is being pointed to the B56/1, maybe a defective unit. Not to wait for a replacement unit, we removed the (working B56/1 unit) from my G500, and installed it into the problem vehicle. Full of hope to have it all finally working again, we took the G400 back out, onto a test drive. After just a few Meters, I knew, nothing had changed. The newly built transmission was not shifting at all. | ||
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fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible While working with the new Transfer Case, I had dismantled the old, non functional 722.638 transmission. Identifying all the components, referencing with the EPC, I could not find a part, which was on my desk, in the EPC parts picture: Transmission Output Shaft Speed Sensor Pulse Ring - that what I call it. It was pressed onto the Parking Lock Gear, located in the very rear of the transmission. Knowing that there are many different 722.6 versions around, I compare the parking lock gear in the EPC with the one from my old W163 - different part#, as the W163 did not have that output shaft sensor. Long story now, but the light at the end of the tunnel is visible. We removed the speed sensor from the transmission, still in the G400, Thomas pulled the plastic sleeve out of rear housing, and took some pictures with his phone. Not a perfect camera line-up, but I knew what I saw........ NO Transmission Output Shaft Speed Sensor Pulse Ring Just to make sure, Thomas went into town and purchased one of those inspection hole cameras, and Bingo, That Pulse Ring was not installed. No Output Shaft speed data to the 722.6 control unit - no transmission shifting. Update will follow..... (IMG_2020.JPG) (IMG_2017.JPG) Attachments ---------------- IMG_2020.JPG (125KB - 7 downloads) IMG_2017.JPG (114KB - 4 downloads) | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3004 | Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible Wow, good catch! I was still thinking that it was the shifter. | ||
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fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible We are ready, waiting for the replacement parts from Germany....... (Ready.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Ready.JPG (116KB - 6 downloads) | ||
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fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | G400 with 722.638 Transmission back in Service Today! Last week, we finally got the correct transmission part (Parking Lock Gear w/ Output Speed Sensor Plate) from the expert transmission builder in Germany. We took the 722.6 transmission apart, and changed out the incorrect part installed, with the new correct part, which sits in the very rear of the transmission, on the large output shaft, just in front of the rear roller bearing. Last Friday, the re-assembled transmission was now installed back into the G400 again, and over the last weekend the 722.6 install was finalized. Today in the morning we filled the transmission with the Shell 134 ATF oil, cleared all existing error codes, and went for a test drive. Already just out of the driveway, the 722.6 transmission shifted smooth into the second gear, then into 3rd and so on...... Everything was perfect now, we are a bit more than just happy with that outcome....... Please have a look at the attached photos: The correct Parking Lock Gear with the attached Output Speed Sensor Plate The incorrect Parking Lock Gear, install by the expensive expert transmission builder in Germany..... We had sen so much information back to that expert transmission builder, the read out from 1-20-2020 with NO Output RPM showing..... Apparently he just disregarded all the info from us novices, as he was 100% sure of his expert transmission work! Read Out from 1-20-2020 with no Output Speed Our todays (6-1-2020) Read Out showing now all the correct data Trust is good, but Verification is better...... (Parking Lock Gear with Output Speed Sensor Plate.JPG) (Parking Lock Gear without Sensor Plate.JPG) (No Output Speed reading 1-20-2020.JPG) (Correct Output Speed reading 6-1-2020.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Parking Lock Gear with Output Speed Sensor Plate.JPG (125KB - 8 downloads) Parking Lock Gear without Sensor Plate.JPG (101KB - 6 downloads) No Output Speed reading 1-20-2020.JPG (82KB - 6 downloads) Correct Output Speed reading 6-1-2020.JPG (62KB - 7 downloads) | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3004 | Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible Wow, Karl that is amazing work on your part. Very gratifying in the end. Most people would have just sold the car and given up. | ||
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Inkblotz Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Georgia Vehicle(s): 90 300GD "Thundering Turtle II", w/ 603A turbo Posts: 3185 | Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible Atta boy Karl. Nicely troubleshooted and resolved. | ||
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Aircruiser Extreme Veteran Date registered: Aug 2011 Location: Atlanta GA Vehicle(s): 2000 G500, 1986 300GD, 2017 Porsche Cayenne Hybrid Posts: 364 | Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible Fantastic detective work! | ||
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gbenzer Extreme Veteran Date registered: Dec 2006 Location: Georgia Vehicle(s): 2007 G-500, 2017 Audi Q7 Posts: 418 | RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible Congratulations on you tenacity and thorough, logical approach and great outcome. | ||
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fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible Thank you guys for your kind words.... The G-life continues with a hot beach day, 42C but the ocean was just wonderful.... (IMG_2099.JPG) (IMG_2101.JPG) (IMG_2091.JPG) Attachments ---------------- IMG_2099.JPG (112KB - 5 downloads) IMG_2101.JPG (85KB - 5 downloads) IMG_2091.JPG (105KB - 5 downloads) | ||
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CAO Date registered: Nov 2007 Location: Ellensburg, WA Vehicle(s): '13 G550 (G #5) | Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible Congratulations Edited by CAO 6/25/2020 11:33 PM | ||
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aymen New user Date registered: Feb 2021 Location: Vehicle(s): Posts: 1 | Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible hi i have the same problem on a G500 2001 model (P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible) i would appreciate if you can send me the part numbers you ordered so i can cross check and see if the cause is the same . much appreciated | ||
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fkhawajah Member Date registered: Jul 2007 Location: DUBAI, United Arab Emirates Vehicle(s): mercedes 300 CE,280GE modified to 400GE Posts: 48 | Re: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible dear please anybody can share the parts number ((Parking Lock Gear with Output Speed Sensor Plate.JPG)) i have been looking for long time want to order. | ||
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fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | RE: P2213 - The signal from component Direction sensor is implausible Sorry guys, but I have not been on here for a while.. The part number for that parking lock gear w/ sensor ring (#72) is: 72 A 902 270 00 19 . PARKING BRAKE FOR WHEEL The EPC does not show the details of the sensor ring...... Edited by fernweh 10/3/2021 8:22 PM (Page 10.2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Page 10.pdf (15KB - 6 downloads) Page 10.2.jpg (102KB - 4 downloads) | ||
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