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Posted 10/20/2006 7:27 PM
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Interesting Comparison

G500

Curb Weight: 5,545 lbs
HP: 292 SAE HP
Torque: 336 lb-ft
Mileage Estimates: 13/14 mpg

ML320 CDI

Curb Weight: 4,817 lbs
HP: 215 SAE HP
Torque: 398 lb-ft (20% more than the G500!)
Mileage Estimates: 21/27

I just test drove one of these today; and there's one heckuva lot more leg room for big guys like me than there is in my G500.

Tempting!
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Posted 10/20/2006 7:33 PM
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RE: Interesting Comparison

and....

your thoughts on it?
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Posted 10/20/2006 7:46 PM
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03-Gwagen - 10/20/2006 7:33 PM

and....

your thoughts on it?


Very nice, although there's way more electronics on it than are really needed, imnsho.

I'll probably order one tomorrow to replace the daily driver Honda Odyssey minivan with a minivan on steroids. My biggest concern after the glut of electronics is the availablity of ULSD fuel.

(Does that mean I have to resign as Host/Mod of the G-Class Forum?)
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Posted 10/20/2006 8:12 PM
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we sure wouldnt wanna lose DUTCH on here would we??!!
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Posted 10/20/2006 9:20 PM
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You'd still have the G500 right?
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Posted 10/20/2006 10:55 PM
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DUTCH - 10/20/2006 7:46 PM

03-Gwagen - 10/20/2006 7:33 PM

and....

your thoughts on it?


Very nice, although there's way more electronics on it than are really needed, imnsho.


Dutch, I also have an 05 ML350.

It is the most trouble free car we have ever owned. In 2 years, it has been to the dealer only one time.

I have had no quality complaints. Fit and finish - perfect. In 05 it was at the end of its product life, so I expected it to be trouble free.

ML's are great "beater cars". It is a hassle free car. It is a whole lot easier to own than the G. The G has required way to much patience with MBUSA and the dealer. To spend that much money on a G and get all those problems really makes you think.

The G is special and requires patience of a parent with a problem child.
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Posted 10/21/2006 5:48 AM
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AsianML - 10/20/2006 9:20 PM

You'd still have the G500 right?


I've been driving a G for 22 continuous years. No reason to change now.
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Posted 10/21/2006 8:54 AM
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I'd consider the new ML of GL - but never as a G replacement. I haven't driven the GL yet but the ML has no sole. I'm sure either would be more practical for most in day-2-day driving. I suspect I'll still be driving a G 20+ years from now.
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The G is special and requires patience of a parent with a problem child.

Maybe it's just your 03. I have been driving my 460 daily for over 10 years, it has 280,000 on this motor and it has not been anywhere near a problem child. Easy to work on, no problem getting parts I only wish I could replace it with a 461 and I would not hesitate to drive it a 500 mile from home to go skiing. It has never left me anywhere stuck
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Posted 10/21/2006 9:47 AM
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mb230s - 10/21/2006 8:54 AM

I'd consider the new ML of GL - but never as a G replacement. I haven't driven the GL yet but the ML has no sole.


Agreed on the "no soul" for the ML - especially when compared to the G; but I expect it will make a respectible daily driver. I plan to find out.

Keep in mind that I'm replacing a minivan (Honda Odyssey) with a minivan on steroids - the ML.
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Posted 10/22/2006 7:58 AM
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What about the new problematic 7-speed autobox? Many complaints about downshifting. How was your experience with it?

(We too are considering replacing another vehicle with the ML320 CDI)
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Posted 10/22/2006 8:11 AM
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njpaguy - 10/22/2006 7:58 AM

What about the new problematic 7-speed autobox? Many complaints about downshifting. How was your experience with it?

(We too are considering replacing another vehicle with the ML320 CDI)


In the brief test drive I took, I did not experience any problems. An MB mechanic friend of mine says that the problems have been most software related; and the latest software upgrade has fixed the problems. True? I imagine that I'll find out when I get mine.
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