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Coolant Leak
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Posted 4/28/2006 1:50 PM
Braingears
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Coolant Leak

I am trying to track down a coolant leak. It is coming from the driver's side of the engine, under the intake manifold on the M104 engine. The coolant is dripping with a cold engine with no pressure in the tank or radiator.

I cannot actually see where the coolant is leaking because of the intake manifold and other components in the way. The picture that I have attached is of the '95 E320 M104 engine. Does my G320 have this coolant connection? This might be a starting point for hunting it down. 
 http://mercedes.braingears.com/124_DISC1/Program/Engine/104/20-2300.pdf

Thanks in advance...

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Posted 4/28/2006 3:43 PM
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RE: Coolant Leak

The EPC shows three different oil coolers for the G360. One like your pdf. One shown below, also attached to the oil filter assembly, and a set of pipes going to a remote oil cooler.

The integrated oil coolers are mounted as part of the oil filter assembly but should be visible. Look down at the oil filter from above and you should see them. This style seems to require an external water feed/drain and could very well be the source of your leak.

If the intake manifold is difficult to get off you might be able to maneuver a webcam and light down there and take a closer look.

Hidden water hoses are just an accident waiting to happen.



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#4775 - in reply to #4707
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Posted 4/28/2006 4:59 PM
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Re: Coolant Leak

from what I can see... I think that the leak is a little further forward.

My MB mechanic friend is going to come over next week. While at Mercedes, he has probably torn apart several hundred of these M104 Engines. He tells me that it's probably one of three areas.
1. Circulation/Water Pump.
2. Head Gasket.
3. another connection that uses an O-Ring.

He seems to think that it is the water pump, and that the coolant is following a path along the side of the engine. This is also due to the engine being tilted slightly on it's side. This makes a little sense to me, especially since I wrapped the V-Belt around it soo much. I could have loosened the seal. For all I know, that could have been one of the reasons that the belt broke... but I doubt it.
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Posted 4/29/2006 2:27 PM
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RE: Coolant Leak

My experience is that when a v-belt breaks due to age, it just snaps and falls off. When they become shreaded, burnt and wrapped up on things, it's a an indication that it's not the belt's fault, but rather that the belt tried and tried, hung on to the very last second sacrificing itself while trying to do it's job. I would be looking for a bad bearing on the pully the belt was wrapped around. Evidence to analyze might be:

Did the belt squeal at all prior to "breaking"?

If the belt was wrapped around the water pump, perhaps it's bad. Is the truck cooling ok? Is that pump pumping water and spinning it's cooling fan ok?

Is the pump leaking coolant ouf ot it's emergency seal/bearing drain hole under the pump bearing area? that's a sure sign the seal and/or bearing has failed. Regardles, if water is comming out that little hole, the pump is doomed.

Does the pump turn easily by hand? Does it squeak? Wobble? feel gritty when turned by hand?

Between this and your other post, I don't think there could be much more evidence pointing to a bad water pump, unless it falls right off the motor too. A decent mechanic should be able to determine this in seconds.

Just my experience. But heck, you never know. Strange things do happen.


Garret


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Posted 5/1/2006 1:37 AM
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RE: Coolant Leak

G4Garret - 4/29/2006 2:27 PM My experience is that when a v-belt breaks due to age, it just snaps and falls off. When they become shreaded, burnt and wrapped up on things, it's a an indication that it's not the belt's fault, but rather that the belt tried and tried, hung on to the very last second sacrificing itself while trying to do it's job. I would be looking for a bad bearing on the pully the belt was wrapped around. Evidence to analyze might be: Did the belt squeal at all prior to "breaking"? If the belt was wrapped around the water pump, perhaps it's bad. Is the truck cooling ok? Is that pump pumping water and spinning it's cooling fan ok? Is the pump leaking coolant ouf ot it's emergency seal/bearing drain hole under the pump bearing area? that's a sure sign the seal and/or bearing has failed. Regardles, if water is comming out that little hole, the pump is doomed. Does the pump turn easily by hand? Does it squeak? Wobble? feel gritty when turned by hand? Between this and your other post, I don't think there could be much more evidence pointing to a bad water pump, unless it falls right off the motor too. A decent mechanic should be able to determine this in seconds. Just my experience. But heck, you never know. Strange things do happen. Garret

There was no squeaking prior to breakage. The truck is cooling properly, and nothing felt wrong with the pump when I was changing the belt. I have been out of town and not looked at the truck or engine for the last 4 days. I should have a little more time this week....

 

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Posted 5/20/2006 4:10 PM
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Replaced Water Pump

I had to replace the water pump this week. While I was at it, I replaced the thermostat and most of the hoses too.

When I removed the old water pump from the truck, I took it down to the local dealership and compared it with all of the other M104 pumps. It did not match any of them. Luckily when I called Steve at EuroTruck, they had one in stock. I got the lower radiator hose from EuroTruck, but I got the rest of the hoses locally.  

It must have taken me twice as long to remove the pump as it took me to reinstall the new one. I guess I learned all of ins-and-outs while I was removing it. I used a torque wrench for everything when I was putting it back together. The bolts requires a lot less torque than you would use instinctively.

While I was waiting for the pump parts, I removed the valve cover and re-torqued the head. Fortunately, none of the head bolts were loose. I also replaced all of the plastic vacuum tubing in the head and around the front of the engine. The old stuff was getting pretty brittle. Just performing preventative maintenance while I had part of the engine apart...

I ran the engine for about an hour so that it would run at temperature for a while. During that time, the temperature never went above 87'C (thermostat setting). I was waiting for the front aux fans to turn on (to test the thermostat senser that I installed), but it never got that hot.

No more leaks...

 

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Posted 5/20/2006 10:52 PM
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RE: Replaced Water Pump

I've finally traced my coolant leak - it's coming from the thermostat gasket. But has anyone seen a gasket like this? It was there when I bought the car and it appears to be a spacer.



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Posted 5/21/2006 2:33 AM
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RE: Replaced Water Pump

That does not look right...

I would go to your local dealership or parts store and purchase a new thermostat. In the box, it should come with a rubber o-ring (I do not know if the older models also used a gasket material). By the looks of it, I would also purchase three new bolts. I would then re-assemble the thermostat properly. Remember that you should only apply 10Nm torque (which will actually seem pretty light).

 

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