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zimm Elite Veteran Date registered: Feb 2010 Location: pittsburgh Vehicle(s): lx470, 76 fj40, 72fj40, 96 gelandewagen g320. Posts: 788 | RE: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved so, an 02 has more user input than an 03? | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3005 | RE: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved Tom Deckowski told me about the tire input service menu change in his 2002 G500 I have made the corrections in my own truck via DAS-Star diagnostics input but have not taken the time to look for the service menu. I hope it is not misinformation. Maybe Tom will chip in here. | ||
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devildog Member Date registered: Feb 2012 Location: Miami, Fl USA Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 USA Model Posts: 5 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved I have 2002 g500 usa model, I plan on running 285/60/18 nitto dune grapplers on the stock 18" rims. What settings should I run in the computer. I saw your post but got a little confused. Any clairification would be great..... | ||
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devildog Member Date registered: Feb 2012 Location: Miami, Fl USA Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 USA Model Posts: 5 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved Pulled the trigger today on a set of NITTO DUNE GRAPPLERES 285/60/18. Chose these tires because they don't have large lugs on tred pattern, hence making them oem quiet. No hummmming at all. Love the new look. Edited by devildog 6/4/2012 10:43 PM | ||
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512bbi Expert Date registered: Jan 2007 Location: North western US and Europe Vehicle(s): 05G55kge,Range rover classic,clk55amg,ML 430 Posts: 1313 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved devildog - 5/21/2012 2:26 PM I have 2002 g500 usa model, I plan on running 285/60/18 nitto dune grapplers on the stock 18" rims. What settings should I run in the computer. I saw your post but got a little confused. Any clairification would be great..... With the size tire you installed I feel if you set your transfer case module for 235-85-16 you will have great performance out of your esp and etc. Your tires being 285x60%=171mm sidewall x 2=342mm divided by 25.4(one inch in mm)=13.46 inches ,plus 18 inch rim=31.64 diameter tire. Most 235-85-16s are 31.5 to 32 inch diameter tires so that should be the right choice. Considering your tires are wider and much lower profile than same diameter on 16s ,that will give you the advantage of less flex on sidewall and much more effective esp action possibly even better than stock. The opposite applies when installing larger high profile sidewall or even softer winter tires of original diameter which cause esp problems and even more so when under inflated for of road. Mario | ||
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devildog Member Date registered: Feb 2012 Location: Miami, Fl USA Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 USA Model Posts: 5 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved Do i need to select 4.11 gearing in the transfercase contrul module? | ||
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michel bertin Veteran Date registered: Jun 2006 Location: SFO Bay Area, CA Vehicle(s): '02 G500, '14 G550 Posts: 124 | RE: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved I recently replaced the 265/75R16 E Bridgestone Revo's on my '02 G with the size above, 285/75R16 E Revo 2's. After a long search, I narrowed the choice down to BFG A/T T/A KO D or E load , Michelin A/T 2 or the Revo 2, all 16 or 17 32nd's tread depth. The offroading I do is mostly sandy surfaces and rocky trails, around 20psi warm tire pressure, and I need very safe and sure road behavior. My first Revo's had performed a lot better than prior BFG A/T both off road and on road, never had an issue in 7 yrs. I decided on the Revo 2 after consistent TireRack recommendations and reading every post I could find on many forums. Currently 2K mi on them, very happy. I followed the instructions in this thread to get the transfer case and cluster adjusted, picked 8.25R16 for transfer case and the largest size available in the cluster, 235/85R16. The result is fantastic!! The transfer case ratio had never been adjusted before. This finally cured untimely ESP behaviors I had on curvy roads. I take this opportunity to say Thank You very much to Dutch, Brent and everyone contributing to make this a great friendly useful forum for G lovers. I also put a word (mostly for SFO Bay area owners) for Park Avenue Motors in Palo Alto which has exclusively maintained my G's for 10+yrs to very high standards, Rafael is the master technician who always works on my cars. Michel | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | RE: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved Michel. why did you wait 10 years to tell us about a great MB shop? tips like this are traded like gold | ||
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AlanMcR Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, CA, Los Altos Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL Posts: 3500 | RE: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved Opinions differ. They are partly responsible for me deciding to do all of my own mechanical work. Then again, I'm pretty much of a dyed-in-the-wool DIY'er anyway. | ||
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michel bertin Veteran Date registered: Jun 2006 Location: SFO Bay Area, CA Vehicle(s): '02 G500, '14 G550 Posts: 124 | RE: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved Agree that no person or organization is perfect and there were rare cases early on that I was not happy with Park Avenue. Also I am very demanding in car maintenance, keeping several Mercedes in as new working condition. Park Avenue has been a Mercedes maintenance shop for 30+ years; their general mgr's Dad was one of the early MBUSA mgrs in California, they have master techs who regularly publish in the Star, and Rafael, the only master tech I work with, is the one they trust to solve tricky issues on the most expensive Mercedes plus he treats any of my cars as his own. They solved on my '02 G early on many of the issues discussed in this forum, with the care that only great Mercedes maintenance techs would bring. Rafael also installed Mike Serpe's front bumper with my prior Warn 9000 which he had also installed (the bumper is fantastic and Mike was wonderfully helpful as usual), the ORC blue springs, various protection plates etc on my G; and of course he adjusted the transfer case for the 33" tires. They even have a Hunter machine for road force balancing on which they did the Revo 2's and my prior Revo's. So I highly recommend them to Mercedes and G owners (ask for advisor Paul and tech Rafael...). For anyone interested, I now have the classic G winch bumper and a black G brush guard for sale, plus Europa running boards for short wheel base G; PM me or better, mjbertin@gmail.com. Michel | ||
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f4bones Member Date registered: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Vehicle(s): 1984 G460 SWB 617A, 1981 500SLC (026), 1985 500SL Posts: 26 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved I have a 2004 G55 that I've owned for about a year - when I first got it, I swapped out the awful G55 springs and shocks for stock G500 ones. The truck came with Nitto 285/65/18 tires on stock G55 wheels. It is VERY scary in wide, medium speed turns, especially when decelerating. I was excited to come across this post, especially as I have a startek DAS setup that I've used on other Mercedes. I successfully logged in and changed the settings on the VG for the larger tires, and while the situation seems to be improved, it is still unacceptable with the outside turn wheel locking on medium speed turns. I read with interest about an updated ESP control box, but have found no further info on this - the PN is available (about $1,100) so I'd like more info on it before going that route. Ultimately, I'm probably going to look for a way to disable the ESP if I can't find a way to tame this beast. Any ideas / hints greatly appreciated! | ||
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Amnaggar Veteran Date registered: May 2013 Location: Dubai Vehicle(s): '10 G55, '10 C250, '05 Volvo S40 T5, '05 Pajero Posts: 100 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved How, where and what do you "log into to change the settings"? Edited by Amnaggar 5/20/2013 5:12 AM | ||
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DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved Amnaggar - 5/20/2013 5:11 AM How, where and what do you "log into to change the settings"? You need a STAR diagnostic system to do this. | ||
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f4bones Member Date registered: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Vehicle(s): 1984 G460 SWB 617A, 1981 500SLC (026), 1985 500SL Posts: 26 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved I have a STAR diagnostics system, and have tried several several configurations of tire size and axle ratio, but the problem persists. Does anyone have any info on the upgraded / modified ESP controller mentioned in one of the early posts on this topic? | ||
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ewalberg Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Past: San Francisco. Present: Germany Vehicle(s): 2000 g500 Posts: 1887 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved there are threads on how to totally disable the ESP system. you can separately enable/disable ESP and ETS if memory serves me. You can wire in a hard switch. | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3005 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved Apparently with the 2013, the ESP kicks in like an anchor being thrown out the window. My wife's 2006 E320cdi, the ESP does not turn back on at higher speeds with the ESP off switch. Not sure about the later 463's though. My 2002 could only use the ESP off switch below 40 MPH. It is possible to make aftermarket modification to switch off ESP. Well discussed in the forums here. One of the reasons I switched to a 1999 G500 was my dislike for the ESP. I do miss the ETS though, great for snow driving. My first experience with wheel spin was in the 1999. The 2002 had ETS and the 1985 300GD had its own reasons. | ||
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Balto Extreme Veteran Date registered: Mar 2012 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 Posts: 368 | RE: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved So what sizes besides 265 60 18 can I put on my '02 G and not have to worry about the ESP and/or trying to find a place to fix it? Was leaning towards Duratrac's but not 100% yet. | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | RE: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved any tire larger or smaller than 265/60R18 will affect ESP as long as the replacement tires have about 675 revs per mile or 2367 mm circumference in their spec sheets, they are safe to use | ||
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Balto Extreme Veteran Date registered: Mar 2012 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 Posts: 368 | RE: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved 4x4abc - 10/13/2014 6:57 AM any tire larger or smaller than 265/60R18 will affect ESP as long as the replacement tires have about 675 revs per mile or 2367 mm circumference in their spec sheets, they are safe to use Thank you | ||
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Balto Extreme Veteran Date registered: Mar 2012 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 Posts: 368 | RE: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved 4x4abc - 10/13/2014 6:57 AM any tire larger or smaller than 265/60R18 will affect ESP as long as the replacement tires have about 675 revs per mile or 2367 mm circumference in their spec sheets, they are safe to use Also, You mention earlier that with adjusting your computers that +10% MPG was achieved? I'm guessing this is only because you lost MPG after the tire size switch and more or less went back to the MPG that you got with factory sized tires? Do you happen to know what the max size we can get under our G without modification to the fenders/anything else and only have to get the computers adjusted? Guessing 33's and maybe "some" 34's? Thank you | ||
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