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| Indiana Drew Expert Date registered: Feb 2007 Location: Houston Tx Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 LWB, 1980 280GE SWB (Sold), S500 Posts: 2223  | ||
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| 512bbi Expert Date registered: Jan 2007 Location: North western US and Europe Vehicle(s): 05G55kge,Range rover classic,clk55amg,ML 430 Posts: 1313  | ||
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| 4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500  | ||
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| autonovice Elite Veteran Date registered: Dec 2006 Location: New York City Vehicle(s): '05 G55K, '92 350GDT Posts: 684  | ||
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| 4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | ||
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| 512bbi Expert Date registered: Jan 2007 Location: North western US and Europe Vehicle(s): 05G55kge,Range rover classic,clk55amg,ML 430 Posts: 1313 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved autonovice - 1/18/2011 12:07 PM Am I getting this right? I get 2in more in tire height and 2.5% in error Mario ... I noted of all your mods but not this one. I am due for new tires and I will go with your set up: red fronts, brown rears, konis all around w/ special tabs and now changes to the TC module Stock Tire..................285/55R18..Tire 1 - 285/65R18...Tire 2 - 235/85R16 Overall Diameter:......30.34 in..................32.58 in...................31.72 in Diameter Difference: 0%.........................6.88%.....................4.36% Lets try again. Stock tires(size wise) but stiffer sidewall = better handling,including fresh shocks ....lots of miles on your truck? Stock shocks are half gone at 20k if you want handling! With my set up the spring rate is not just red fronts and brown rears. If you do that with other shocks than stock you will not have better handling and if you do so with the stock shocks you will have a rough ride. I have cilastios on my shocks custom build to add to the spring rate in heavier bumps and keep the comfort of red springs on pavement. Your stock amg shocks have them also but when the extension damping forces start going away if your truck has some miles your ride will get rougher and it will not handle as good as new all other components being good. With my tires I found all electronics working better and faster with the 235-85-16 transfer case module setting and I have experimented with all the settings and my tire size. The stock settings with my tire size never had any issues but it was not as fast as stock tires on ice with the stock settings. Red front springs and white rears is bad balance of spring rate on my G at least so the cilastios make it right. If you go to my tire size and springs you will spend a lot of money on custom shocks,panhard rod mod,cilastios(cheap) and some more stuff..... If you do not of road much and just want good handling with out spending too much money,if I was you I would buy some good rubber stock size,new front shocks from a 2011 g55,and I would keep the rear stock..... take the rear shocks out pull the cilastios out and cut half inch of the flat end and put it all back together. I would do this at the rear only if you do not carry four people and lots of luggage when you try to do your sport driving...... You will find out it will increase your front caster slightly (lower the rear very little) increase comfort and sharpen your handling going into corners. The rear shocks are good for 60k plus if you drive pavement mostly. Harald As always I am expressing personal experiences for anyones benefit that wants to know what happens to my truck when I make changes trying to better things for my use....I am not talking theories....so have another cerveza for me  Mario | |
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| jeremyw Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2010 Location: Portland, OR Vehicle(s): '03 G500 O'erlanderwagen Posts: 846 | ||
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| Indiana Drew Expert Date registered: Feb 2007 Location: Houston Tx Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 LWB, 1980 280GE SWB (Sold), S500 Posts: 2223 | ||
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| jeremyw Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2010 Location: Portland, OR Vehicle(s): '03 G500 O'erlanderwagen Posts: 846 | ||
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| Indiana Drew Expert Date registered: Feb 2007 Location: Houston Tx Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 LWB, 1980 280GE SWB (Sold), S500 Posts: 2223 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved jeremyw - 1/21/2011 8:13 PM Indiana Drew - 1/21/2011 5:41 PM Thanks Drew. Anyone have a picture?jeremyw - 1/21/2011 7:09 PM I searched but didn't find much....what are cilastios? "They go around the shaft of the shock and they decrease body roll increase stability and allow you to run softer springs and softer roll bars in order to maintain articulation and better handling on irregular surfaces of the softer spring ratios with the ability to handle stronger forces in compressions that heavier springs can do." From another thread on which Mario posted ... No problem - I really don't know exactly what it is either :err: ... Thanks for asking the question ...  | |
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| 512bbi Expert Date registered: Jan 2007 Location: North western US and Europe Vehicle(s): 05G55kge,Range rover classic,clk55amg,ML 430 Posts: 1313 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved Indiana Drew - 1/21/2011 7:29 PM jeremyw - 1/21/2011 8:13 PM Indiana Drew - 1/21/2011 5:41 PM Thanks Drew. Anyone have a picture?jeremyw - 1/21/2011 7:09 PM I searched but didn't find much....what are cilastios? "They go around the shaft of the shock and they decrease body roll increase stability and allow you to run softer springs and softer roll bars in order to maintain articulation and better handling on irregular surfaces of the softer spring ratios with the ability to handle stronger forces in compressions that heavier springs can do." From another thread on which Mario posted ... No problem - I really don't know exactly what it is either :err: ... Thanks for asking the question ... On the G55 they are already compressed some at normal ride height (stock springs) At the rear they are very stiff and the shocks are set to be the same on extension....when the shocks start loosing their effectiveness by loosing force as they wear out the quality of the ride and handling starts to become very bad. The G55 stock can ride like an one ton pick up with bad shocks with enough miles on the clock. There is no esp issues with my set up and I like the extra articulation that I have with the 90 series Konis since the front end has been transformed in traction due to the extra shock travel and all electronics work great with it all. Today I was watching the esp do its marvel at 70mph on Rucker road heading to the west side of the chiricahuas of AZ, a very wide and smooth dirt road with lots of dips and rises and a few sharp turns. The G run great and if I was on the gas through a turn fast enough to slide i could do so with all four with no esp coming on and if I came in a corner too fast and lift with turning the steering fast to where I want to go the esp would cut in very fast correct the balance and still let me keep a lot of speed. With the stock setting and my size tires in the same drive it would let me start over steering before it would cut in very abruptly.....so on the G55 the esp is fast and forgiving to go fast and even though it does not act up if you go up in tire size it does work better adjusted to the change.... Be aware of low tire pressures at speed ,I believe they do cause the esp to behave bad...so I wonder if some that have problems here with esp might be running very tall sidewalls with very low pressures. Mario | |
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| ewalberg Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Past: San Francisco. Present: Germany Vehicle(s): 2000 g500 Posts: 1887 | ||
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| ewalberg Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Past: San Francisco. Present: Germany Vehicle(s): 2000 g500 Posts: 1887 | ||
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| 4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | ||
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| 512bbi Expert Date registered: Jan 2007 Location: North western US and Europe Vehicle(s): 05G55kge,Range rover classic,clk55amg,ML 430 Posts: 1313 | ||
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| 4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | ||
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| jeremyw Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2010 Location: Portland, OR Vehicle(s): '03 G500 O'erlanderwagen Posts: 846 | Re: 463 with larger tires - ESP problems solved 512bbi - 1/25/2011 12:33 AM ewalberg - 1/24/2011 6:40 PM mario, we call them "elastomers" or maybe "bump stops" here. I'm not sure if it's still common, but used to be common in mountains bikes. I wouldn't recommend using them for primary suspension because they tend to be very temperature sensitive (compared to a steel spring). But for bumps stops (just at the end of travel) i think they'd be a good idea. Or in your case of cutting in half an existing elastomer at the end of the shock where it bolts to the axle or chassis, you'll simply be doubling it's stiffness to make it more sensitive. No relationship to bump stops,elastomers,and nothing to do with the end of the shock where it bolts to the axle. They are not temperature sensitive or related to bike suspensions. I suspect all the new Gs have them not just the AMGs and I am sure your MB dealer would not know anything about them. If you test drive the new Gs you will notice how much lighter they feel and how much less body roll they have . My gears are 4.11 stock Mario Standard forum slang Mario; "This thread is worthless without pictars."   | |
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| DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | ||
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| H1LM002G55 Expert Date registered: Mar 2010 Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1 Posts: 1796 | ||
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