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hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A  | ||
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| W5YK Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, Unimog U2450, Posts: 543  | ||
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| -UG- Extreme Veteran Date registered: Jun 2006 Location: Finland Vehicle(s): GD300, S350 CDI Posts: 446  | ||
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| hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A | ||
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| W5YK Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, Unimog U2450, Posts: 543 | ||
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| diehardg Veteran  Date registered: May 2006 Location: Tokyo, Japan Vehicle(s): 2000G500L, 2015 G350BT, 2016G63(now), 1968 S404 Posts: 220  | ||
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| -UG- Extreme Veteran Date registered: Jun 2006 Location: Finland Vehicle(s): GD300, S350 CDI Posts: 446 | ||
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| -UG- Extreme Veteran Date registered: Jun 2006 Location: Finland Vehicle(s): GD300, S350 CDI Posts: 446 | RE: winch bumper idea. If I really wanted to improve 463 I would at least replace the plastic bumpers with something that can take some abuse. And when you need to replace the front bumper, you could just as well mount the winch between the frame instead of the bumper. It wont sit any lower (but this is no advantage... lower is better) but it also wont force your bumper to be built so, that is sticks out more than it needs. Here is one picture that shows a little where the winch is on mine. The frames are the same, so... -UG- (mersun_puskuri_1.JPG) Attachments ----------------  mersun_puskuri_1.JPG (184KB - 9 downloads) | |
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| W5YK Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, Unimog U2450, Posts: 543 | RE: winch bumper idea. OK, it works on a 460. That doesn't mean it will work on Kerr's G500. See attached photo. The radiator for the AC is sitting right in the spot we are discussing. Behind that (1cm) is the main radiator. Behind that is the engine. The main radiator fan is driven from the engine. It will take a heck of a lot of "vision" or whatever to move those back. Also there is the transmission oil cooler you can see dangling on the floor. Alternatively, you could just buy an off-the shelf winch bumper that holds the winch at the same height, a few inches forward, with no difference in approach angle, and be done in one hour. (DSC02506.jpg) Attachments ---------------- DSC02506.jpg (153KB - 9 downloads) | |
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| hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A | ||
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| -UG- Extreme Veteran Date registered: Jun 2006 Location: Finland Vehicle(s): GD300, S350 CDI Posts: 446 | RE: winch bumper idea. W5YK - 11/9/2006 6:55 PM OK, it works on a 460. That doesn't mean it will work on Kerr's G500. See attached photo. The radiator for the AC is sitting right in the spot we are discussing. Behind that (1cm) is the main radiator. Behind that is the engine. The main radiator fan is driven from the engine. It will take a heck of a lot of "vision" or whatever to move those back. Also there is the transmission oil cooler you can see dangling on the floor. Alternatively, you could just buy an off-the shelf winch bumper that holds the winch at the same height, a few inches forward, with no difference in approach angle, and be done in one hour. First of all, even on 460 you need to customize the radiator. So, you need custom made radiator, pile the ac cooler on top of that, move the transmission cooler to entirely different location (or pile it with ac cooler, depends on the space available). Probably all fans must be changed to slimmer ones and one added to the transmission cooler if it no longer sits where air naturally flows. As you said, it's not worth the trouble (or money) if you are looking for just putting a winch for mall to cabin purposes. But if you are modifying the car for heavy off-road or competition purposes, then I would have a serious look. Still, without seeing the car, these are merely guesses of what the solution could be and the entire discussion is hypothetical. W5YK - 11/9/2006 6:55 PM ...a few inches forward, with no difference in approach angle...  Were you in a hurry and forgot to think? -UG- Edited by -UG- 11/10/2006 1:42 AM | |
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| W5YK Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: San Diego Vehicle(s): 2002 G500, Unimog U2450, Posts: 543 | RE: winch bumper idea. W5YK - 11/9/2006 6:55 PM ...a few inches forward, with no difference in approach angle... Were you in a hurry and forgot to think? -UG- No. I didn't forget my manners either. Even when the winch is moved forward a few inches from the position you used, it still does not stick out far enough to alter the approach angle. The original bumper profile is the limiting factor . If you look sideways at the ORC winch bumper, it does not change the approach angle at all, compared to the original bumper. I don't know how it compares to yours, maybe you have a different bumper also, which gives a better approach angle. I don't know. I am just comparing to the original bumper. So no, I didn't forget to think, but I did actually look at a G500 that has an ORC winch bumper on it (it is sitting in my driveway). And I measured with a board that the approach angle was same as stock. So I felt qualified to comment about it. UG your idea is fine for a 460. I don't know why you are so insistent that it is good for G500 when you admit you haven't even seen a G500. The radiator is huge. It is for a 5L V8. It fills the whole front of the vehicle. The fan has a mechanical clutch to the engine. There are big electrical fans on the other side. It has oil heat exchangers. You would take all that out, plus two other radiators, and put in some "custom" parts, just so you could move a winch back a bit? On a four-year old G500 that is worth probably US$30,000? Really? Or is it maybe just possible that this not a good solution for the G500? | |
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| mb230s Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SWFL Vehicle(s): G-less for now, vintage MBs, FJ40 | ||
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| hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A | Good? Bad? They're all just options. The more the better in my opinion. Everybody has different needs and wants, and what works for one might not be chosen by another. Doesn't make it any less valid, or make it "Good" or "Bad". I might not think those kinds of modifications are worthwhile to achieve my goals, but someone else may think it's the perfect solution. Keep the "...call me crazy, but could I possibly....." posts coming. And just as well, keep the "....you COULD do it this way....." replies coming too. It all adds to a larger pool of points of view and possibilities to consider. Anybody who isn't after that needs to be spending their time somewhere other than an internet forum. Sharing ideas and possibilities is at the core of what forums like this are all about, more so than pronouncing things "good" or "bad". But that's just my opinion. -Dave G. | |
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| mb230s Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SWFL Vehicle(s): G-less for now, vintage MBs, FJ40 | ||
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