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amzimmy Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: South Africa/Italy Vehicle(s): GD300 1981, Alfa GT 3,2 V6, Alfa Brera Q4 3,2 V6. Posts: 850 | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? Karl, your comment ......made me blush....but thank you. There is a simple solution to your problem and as an architect, I would suggest you dig down 5" or more should be fine, some years back, a customer of mine had the same problem but did not want to lift the garage opening, just too costly, so I arranged to dig two strips (axle width) to accommodate the vehicle. On the roll-up door we inserted some flaps (rubber) for the draft and a pipe in the strips for drainage of water. He was very happy! BTW: nice Two-Wheelers ....your's and your whife's???? amzimmy Edited by amzimmy 1/12/2007 12:11 PM | ||
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hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? There really is "no free lunch" on this one and every solution involves some sort of compromize. The main drawback I see with the Hanibal carrier is that the cans lay down, so if you want to fill/drain them in situ, you give up a lot of their volume and the 20 liter can becomes about a 16l one. But standing them up on the roof rack takes extra height, and with as heavy as a filled fuel can is, any way you can get them lower is lots better. For in-situ fill and drain I also like to angle them a little to make it easier to either get the last drop of fuel out, or leave a known settling point for debris, as appropriate for your supply quality. The "panier" style like AMZ uses is great for accessibility and keeping the cans upright, but is better suited to open area driving I think. I'd be afraid I was going to rip them off squeezing by a tree. And better for off road driving because although there's no regulation against it, it still seems a little unorthodox to have possibly 20 gallons of fuel hanging out in space like that when going down the motorway. A slightly better situation with diesel than with petrol though. Since my G has the ambulance doors, my original thought was to get a second spare tire carreir, modify it to mount behind the left hand door (spare wheel is behind RHS), and hang a 2-can carrier from that. A secondary thought was to do the same thing using a replacement left rear bumper as the basis for the swing-out rack. Of course, if one looks at accident statistics for road driving at least, you're lots more likely to be hit in the rear than in the side, statistically speaking, so that would say put them on pannier style rather than on the rear door. Lots of options. How's this for a fun project......build a G that incorporates every conceivable method of carrying extra fuel ALL AT ONCE! Cans on the roof, cans on the sides, ahead of the front wings like LR Doormobiles did it, long range tanks underneath like offerred by the Ausies and Germans, heck, even throw in that monster fuel cell in the load space like the Dakar G's had in the 80s....Combined with a diesel engine to make it marginally less dangerous and for better economy, I wonder what the maximum range without replenishment could be for a G? :bleh: -Dave G. | ||
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hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A | Now THERE's an idea..... I just noticed that the spare wheel portion of the carrier in the picture is actually on rollers and can be pulled out and dropped down on the side of the truck for access. Now that's cool! Really necessary for something as heavy as a wheel, but it would be equally cool to handle the fuel cans (or a big Pelican case for that matter!) in the same way. Have a pair of them on each side that lay on their big side while on the roof, but pull out and down to stand upright on the sides of the truck for filling and draining. Fun stuff. -Dave G. Edited by hipine 1/12/2007 3:36 PM | ||
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Fenalaar Elite Veteran Date registered: May 2006 Location: Narvik, Norway Vehicle(s): 2001 ML270CDI, Polaris 400L Big Boss Posts: 826 | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? hipine - 1/12/2007 9:27 PM How's this for a fun project......build a G that incorporates every conceivable method of carrying extra fuel ALL AT ONCE! Cans on the roof, cans on the sides, ahead of the front wings like LR Doormobiles did it, long range tanks underneath like offerred by the Ausies and Germans, heck, even throw in that monster fuel cell in the load space like the Dakar G's had in the 80s....Combined with a diesel engine to make it marginally less dangerous and for better economy, I wonder what the maximum range without replenishment could be for a G? :bleh: -Dave G. Hmm - The Norwegian fireplace and oven manufacturer sells a 750L basement kerosene tank that would fit nicely in the rear. I even think there would be space enough for two of them... 1500L diesel, now that would give you considerable range, but I'd hate to fill it full for the first time, both in terms of time and money Another option would be to have someone make a flat, wide and long tank for the roof rack with a filler cap on top and a banjo fitting for a fuel hose on the bottom. Then you don't need to bother with a siphon. Just put the hose in the regular tank and connect the banjo fitting. Johan-Kr Edited by Fenalaar 1/12/2007 9:40 PM | ||
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Speedmaster Member Date registered: Dec 2006 Location: Burnaby, BC Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 - Sold 88' 300GD -Sold 08' LR2 Posts: 40 | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? A lot of really interesting ideas. Amzimmy, did you make that side mounting carrier? If so do you think it woud be possible to make something similar, but it would hang where your Aluminum jug is. Then you could strap the JC to that carrier. The JC would stick out to the right side a bit. It would be mounted to the raingutter. I attached a image of what it would look like. (Fuel_Carrier.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Fuel_Carrier.jpg (79KB - 5 downloads) | ||
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amzimmy Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: South Africa/Italy Vehicle(s): GD300 1981, Alfa GT 3,2 V6, Alfa Brera Q4 3,2 V6. Posts: 850 | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? The two carrier/ladders I had custom made and yes, you are correct you could easily fit an arrangement to carry a JC side ways (flat) or even vertical (narrow end). The most important thing that you have to nurse are the attachments to the body work. This particular section has no stiffening no great reinforcing, you have to remove the interior vinyl panel (speaker panel in the 460 mod) and create a back frame to support the extra load including the vibration and corrugation factor on driving off-road. Mine have lasted well without any problems. The weight of one of the gas bottle including frame is about 12 Kg in your case you would have double the weight. Of course, if you hang the top part of the support from the gutter with a wide load distribution bracket and the bottom part is fixed to the body panel, the back frame will diminish in size. My arrangement with the side canisters is only for very special cases, i.e. in Namibia for instance we travel for approx 1000 km without the possibility of a filling station. The normal set up on my truck is besides the standard 65 Lt tank I have fitted permanently an additional dual st/steel 100 Lt diesel tank and a 100 Lt st/steel water tank. These dual tanks (one on top of the other) are placed flat on the rear loading area and take only 12 cm of height space. The two carrier/ladders when I don’t have the need of two gas bottles, by removing the one bottle and frame, I can use the carrier as a ladder to easily access the roof rack. amzimmy (Gas1 (450 x 600).jpg) (Gas2 (600 x 450).jpg) (Gas3 (600 x 450).jpg) Attachments ---------------- Gas1 (450 x 600).jpg (54KB - 5 downloads) Gas2 (600 x 450).jpg (42KB - 4 downloads) Gas3 (600 x 450).jpg (48KB - 3 downloads) | ||
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Speedmaster Member Date registered: Dec 2006 Location: Burnaby, BC Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 - Sold 88' 300GD -Sold 08' LR2 Posts: 40 | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? Do you happen to have a picture of the dual st/steel tanks you mentioned above? May I ask how much these tanks cost? | ||
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Shebl Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | Re: 20L external fuel tank carrier? Nice set up frenweh , How much weight did it add up to your G ? ReG , Shebl | ||
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fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | Re: 20L external fuel tank carrier? Shebl - 1/13/2007 12:29 AM Nice set up frenweh , How much weight did it add up to your G ? ReG , Shebl Thank you Shebl, I don't know, but 'they' still let me drive by all the "Weight Stations" here in the US without being pulled in and checked for any overweight conditions Karl | ||
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Jonathan Joseph Expert Date registered: Oct 2006 Location: Charleston, South Carolina Vehicle(s): 2004 G55 Posts: 1538 | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? Karl, you're a man after my own heart, a G and BMW bike(s)! As soon as my G projects are done( if that is ever possible) I'm seriously in the market for a R1100RS. Jonathan | ||
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fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? Jonathan Joseph - 1/13/2007 9:33 AM Karl, you're a man after my own heart, a G and BMW bike(s)! As soon as my G projects are done( if that is ever possible) I'm seriously in the market for a R1100RS. Jonathan Jonathan, huuh, huuh this was an old picture just to show the G-wagen did fit once into the garage but all the other toys are gone .......... the extra space is empty..........almost Karl (IMG_2107.jpg) Attachments ---------------- IMG_2107.jpg (67KB - 3 downloads) | ||
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Woodey Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? Stainless Steel Jerry can Next Product How about some Stainless cans to go with it, they guys make holders also http://www.petrolcans.com/jerrycans.htm | ||
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Woodey Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? Stainless Steel Jerry can Next Product How about some Stainless cans to go with it, they guys make holders also http://www.petrolcans.com/jerrycans.htm | ||
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Woodey Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? Stainless Steel Jerry can Next Product How about some Stainless cans to go with it, they guys make holders also http://www.petrolcans.com/jerrycans.htm | ||
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amzimmy Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: South Africa/Italy Vehicle(s): GD300 1981, Alfa GT 3,2 V6, Alfa Brera Q4 3,2 V6. Posts: 850 | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? Speedmaster - 1/12/2007 9:01 AM Do you happen to have a picture of the dual st/steel tanks you mentioned above? May I ask how much these tanks cost? Here is a picture (installed) and a drawing of the tanks. If you need the full size drawing (autocad) I can supply. About the price, I don't know if you can compair with the US$ it cost me Rands 8000.00 (1300 US$) installed. amzimmy (double tank (600 x 450).jpg) (new model G.jpg) (Tank drawing (510 x 600).jpg) Attachments ---------------- double tank (600 x 450).jpg (70KB - 10 downloads) new model G.jpg (6KB - 6 downloads) Tank drawing (510 x 600).jpg (50KB - 7 downloads) | ||
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Speedmaster Member Date registered: Dec 2006 Location: Burnaby, BC Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 - Sold 88' 300GD -Sold 08' LR2 Posts: 40 | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? The picture in your Sig? Or is the attachment missing? | ||
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amzimmy Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: South Africa/Italy Vehicle(s): GD300 1981, Alfa GT 3,2 V6, Alfa Brera Q4 3,2 V6. Posts: 850 | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? Speedmaster - 1/14/2007 9:16 AM The picture in your Sig? Or is the attachment missing? Just took me a bit of time to attach photos.....apologies. BTW: I have included a photo of the tank installed in a 463 model the filling pipe is integrated with the original filler cap. amzimmy | ||
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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? Amzimmy, you never cease to amaze me with your ingenuity. Sensible,simple and whatever you do always looks like it was meant to be. I always look to your posts for ideas. Mike | ||
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amzimmy Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: South Africa/Italy Vehicle(s): GD300 1981, Alfa GT 3,2 V6, Alfa Brera Q4 3,2 V6. Posts: 850 | RE: 20L external fuel tank carrier? DesertStar - 1/14/2007 10:45 AM Amzimmy, you never cease to amaze me with your ingenuity. Sensible,simple and whatever you do always looks like it was meant to be. I always look to your posts for ideas. Mike Thanks for the compliment............soon my head will not fit through the door! I'm very glad that I can help and maybe give some good advice and some useful ideas. amzimmy | ||
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