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Towing a 463
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Posted 1/30/2007 3:19 PM
Photoman



Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: New Zealand
Vehicle(s): 280GE, ML500, 280SE 3.5
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Towing a 463

I just found out that my 300GE was towed from the warf (when it came in from Japan) to my brothers house with the front wheels on the ground. I thought it was being picked up with a transporter so all wheels would be off the ground. Now as for me I have just woken up and I'm getting my head around this. I'm guessing that even though the 463 is full time 4WD it should be ok to tow it like this as the center diff is not locked - correct?
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Posted 1/30/2007 3:28 PM
hipine



Date registered: Jul 2006
Location: US, CO, Bailey
Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A
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RE: Towing a 463

It's okay to tow a 463 with ALL the wheels on the ground (short dist, low speed) or with all the wheels OFF the ground.  But NOT with one set of wheels on the ground and one off.  What happens then is that the center diff spins like MAD due to the speed difference between front and rear drive shafts, and very quickly wears the gears and bearings.  This is a very very bad situation.  I would talk to a knowledgable dealer about it and see if they'd back you up in a claim that the vehicle was improperly handled, and see if you could get the transfer case replaced on a claim against the towing company.

There was a time when towing companies could be forgiven for not knowing about all wheel drive utility vehicles.  In my opinion that time passed about 10 years ago.

-Dave G.

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Posted 1/30/2007 3:30 PM
Photoman



Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: New Zealand
Vehicle(s): 280GE, ML500, 280SE 3.5
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RE: Towing a 463

and to make it worse - it was towed on the highway at 100kph!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 1/30/2007 3:47 PM
Roly
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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RE: Towing a 463

That is bad news. There is a chance that the driver disconnected the front prop shaft prior to towing which would have saved the day. But if not the t/fer box is most likely stuffed.
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Posted 1/30/2007 3:50 PM
Photoman



Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: New Zealand
Vehicle(s): 280GE, ML500, 280SE 3.5
500
RE: Towing a 463

Roly - 1/31/2007 9:47 AM

That is bad news. There is a chance that the driver disconnected the front prop shaft prior to towing which would have saved the day. But if not the t/fer box is most likely stuffed.


no he didn't disconnect anything I have driven it several hundered kms since it got towed, and there appears to be no noise at all from the center diff - but I think I'll get my mechanic to check it out anyway.
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Posted 1/30/2007 4:51 PM
hus55
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: north cyprus,lapta.
Vehicle(s): 300GDS, G300 LONG,300GDT CLK55 AMG CAB.
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Re: Towing a 463

RELAX SEAN!!
and stop that headbutting mate!!

think positive,no news is good news as they say!!

if anything was shagged you would have known straight away...

bad news travels fast!!
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Posted 1/30/2007 4:54 PM
DUTCH
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Drain Plug & Oil Analysis

hus55 - 1/30/2007 4:51 PM

RELAX SEAN!!
and stop that headbutting mate!!

think positive,no news is good news as they say!!

if anything was shagged you would have known straight away...

bad news travels fast!!


Perhaps so; but it would not hurt to get some of the oil out of the TC and have it analyzed. A good look at the magnetic drain plug would be a first clue.
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Posted 1/30/2007 5:18 PM
hus55
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Re: Towing a 463

i guess being cypriot makes me laid back dutch!
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Posted 1/30/2007 5:31 PM
hipine



Date registered: Jul 2006
Location: US, CO, Bailey
Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A
5000
Re: Towing a 463

.....if anything was shagged you would have known straight away... bad news travels fast!!

True in some cases, no doubt, but not in this one.

What's been done in effect is to put wear on the center diff at a hugely accelerated rate.  Given the components have a life span for wear, it's just been advanced well through it's life span so that instead of being 10% gone, maybe it's now like 90% gone so you have less life left in it than you did before the abuse.  It's not at the end of it's life yet, but it's a heck of a lot closer than it would have been without the abuse.

Same thing happened in a different way to the transfer case in my 460.  When some bearings went south and I figured out that the front prop shaft aided oil supply, I looked back into its history and found that both I and the previous owner had driven the truck some distance with the front prop shaft removed at various points in it's life.  There were no obvious ill effects at the time of the individual transgresions, but later on down the road, the components that had been unduely worn during the abuse gave up prematurely.

Now, when everything is fresh in everyone's mind is the time to pursue compensation.  If the box craps out in a year, at a cost of many thousands to replace, nobody will remember anything about how it was towed.

-Dave G.

FWIW, I'd be doing everything possible to get some action based on the simple fact that this type of towing is contrary to the manufacturer's recommendations.  Regardless of what the drain plug or oil look like.  I agree with Dutch though, that having oil analysis performed on the t-case oil is a good idea.  Especially if you could also have a "control" sample from a non-abused truck analyzed as a baseline.



Edited by hipine 1/30/2007 5:41 PM
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Posted 1/30/2007 6:48 PM
Iver460
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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hus55 - 1/29/2007 11:18 PM

i guess being cypriot makes me laid back dutch!


.......or living on a continent where G-parts are available, used and new, at prices that aren'n completely insane
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Posted 1/31/2007 2:44 AM
Photoman



Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: New Zealand
Vehicle(s): 280GE, ML500, 280SE 3.5
500
Re: Towing a 463

Well my mechanic has given it the ok. As he says they are tuff, and it was towed only about 15kms - so now that I'm awake I can relax ha ha ha
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Posted 1/31/2007 2:59 AM
hus55
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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Re: Towing a 463

told ya buddy!!
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