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Braingears
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: St Petersburg, FL
Vehicle(s): G320 & ML320
Posts: 1450
| Re: Safari snorkle
Braingears - 5/4/2007 7:42 AM qsd555 - 5/3/2007 6:48 PM Braingears - 5/3/2007 9:16 AM Has anyone seen or installed one on the G320 (M104 engine)? I have no clue on how to fit it to the filter. I would like to see this as well. Braingears, can you post some actual photos with good quality of your engine .. ? It's tight! So has anyone put a snorkle on a G320? Has anyone made it fit? |
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Shebl
Date registered: Dec 1899
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| RE: Safari snorkle
Same thing here Dave , I have checked with the ARB supplier in UAE , he also denied having any knowledge of parts fitting into the G .
ReG ,
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ArnoldRoss
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Date registered: Jun 2007
Location: South Africa (East London)
Vehicle(s): 1982 280GE SWB and 1982 300GD 3 Door LWB
Posts: 117
| Re: Safari snorkle
HI guys (and gals)
I bought the 461 snorkel and will do the installation as soon as I have fixed the "ding" on my right fender smack bang in the middle of where the snorkel needs to go.
I've got questions though:
1. Why is the snorkel supplied by Mercedes so short? Surely there must be a practical reason for this? Or are they saving on material?
2. On one of the photo's (in this thread) someone used a silver flexible pipe. Where did you get this from? Looks like the ideal solution!
I've noticed that I would be able to move the snorkel towards the A pillar and that would make it easy to fasten it to the pillar. Also - the intake of this snorkel is fixed - so you cannot turn it around to make use of the "ram" effect. I was thinking that should there be no good reason for it to be so short, I would cut it and put in a metal extension (which will then be fixed to the A pillar) and then make the top part so that it could swivel.
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hipine
Date registered: Jul 2006
Location: US, CO, Bailey
Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A
| Re: Safari snorkle
If the factory top were turned around, the "ram effect" would also "ram" water into it when it's raining. -Dave G. |
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460332
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Europe
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| Re: Safari snorkle
Motorcycles has twice (or 3-4 times) the size of the air inlet as compared to the GW.
These inlet are well shaped to lead the air! Still, these motorcycles don't get the RAM
effect until they pass 240-250 km/h (156 Miles/h). 
This would probably mean that you need +300km/h 188 miles/h (my guess) on the G?
Don't forget to change to tires with proper speed rating if you try this! 
Edited by 460332 6/25/2007 6:14 PM
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Jonathan Joseph
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Date registered: Oct 2006
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
Vehicle(s): 2004 G55
Posts: 1538
| RE: Safari snorkle
I am curious about everyones level of satisfaction with these various snorkels. I personally don't like the aesthetics of many of them, or the mounting positions/hardware. I am planning on building my own (most likely of carbon fiber composite) and would like to distill all of the wisdom and experience of others here into the "perfect" design. Please feel free to post any suggestions/likes/dislikes/etc.
Also if there are others interested in a better snorkel I am willing to build more than one to offset my costs. I will need to compile the neccessary data to design the new snorkel to fit as many models as possible with the least amount of customization.
Also I intend to incorporate a radio antenna into my composite layup as on my 86' 300GD the antenna is right there where the snorkel should go. Has this been a problem for anyone or do you just mount the snorkel on top of the antenna? I think it will be much cleaner to eliminate the antenna.
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Woody
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Date registered: Feb 2007
Location: Bend, Ore.
Vehicle(s): '84 280GE -> 300GD turbo, '84 300SD veg, 06 Navion
Posts: 570
| Re: Safari snorkle
Hey Jonathan - thanks for the offer, I might be a candidate. Here's my 2¢:
I really like the one posted by Maxwell, but I'm curious about the intake routing under the hood for the 280GE seeing how that snorkle is mounted driver side. Mounting on the Pass side seems more logical but maybe there's a reason I'm not aware of. I also like the neat, close fitting appearance and how it molds to the body. I think incorporating the snorkle head from Amzimmy's to further reduce dust intake would be best. My main objective, like Dai's is to reduce dust - here in C. Ore. the roads get up to a foot deep in what we call brown talcum powder that hangs in the air for a long time.
FWIW I don't want to modify my bonnet to make room for the snorkle. In appearance, I would like it to look as close to "factory" as possible. I'm not sure about the antenna modification, but relocating it altogether would be OK for me. I personally think a small, swept, rear-center, roof-mounted antenna would work (like on your Beetle and my Passat)
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460332
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Europe
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Jonathan, agree about the aesthetics, very interesting offer!
Have you looked to the original MB 461, also used on the Canadian models. The snorkel is supported by a looped arm, it doesn't restrict the hood, some restriction to the view, but minimal, it will connect to original MB internal air ducts and the design is pretty sleek. There's an austrian selling copies on eBay, unfortunately not the mount..., don't know about quality. |
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fourbyfourclub
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: New Jersey, USA
Vehicle(s): 300G
Posts: 302
| RE: Safari snorkle
You need snorkel on your G-Class for :
1 Rise you intake to force the water and prevent engine hydro lock.
2 Collect dust and sand before main air filter( cyclone type snorkel)
3 Combination of both.
4. Show purposes, just let people see how tuff off-road driver you are.
Why the original military W461 snorkel is to short? I saw G-Class forcing water in a middle of windshield, but newer deeper, do not confuse snorkel and U-boat periscope.
W461 military snorkel made from heavy , but flexible and soft plastic, so it almost impossible to brake it during off road trials.
You can squeeze it flat and bend for 90 degrees and it will pop up back.
You do not need any additional factory brackets for support, I use to fabricate small L-shape bracket and riveted to it on a top of A-pillar.
Any snorkel made from fiberglass like ORC snorkel made by Schmude, or snorkel made in Poland from German eBay looks pretty tuff and professional but you will trash them in first real off road exercise.
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Jonathan Joseph
Expert
Date registered: Oct 2006
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
Vehicle(s): 2004 G55
Posts: 1538
| RE: Safari snorkle
Vlad
What are the most common causes of damage to the snorkel? Branches,rollovers,....?
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fourbyfourclub
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: New Jersey, USA
Vehicle(s): 300G
Posts: 302
| RE: Safari snorkle
Jonathan Joseph - 6/27/2007 8:32 PM
Vlad
What are the most common causes of damage to the snorkel? Branches,rollovers,....?
Jonathan
Jonathan, if you roll over last think you worry is a snorkel.
Most damage from branches and trees,
this is how the military W461 snorkel looks on a "real" ORC car.
BTW this is W460 with M104 engine and automatic transmission.
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Jonathan Joseph
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Date registered: Oct 2006
Location: Charleston, South Carolina
Vehicle(s): 2004 G55
Posts: 1538
| RE: Safari snorkle
There's lots of room for branches and stuff to get stuck between that snorkel and the body. My thought is to streamline the snorkel design. Mount it right up close to the A pillar and fasten it very securely. And build it strong enough so that if it gets ripped off you can just bolt it back on, no damage to the snorkel itself. Of course if it comes to that there might be some other damage to the truck.
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Braingears
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: St Petersburg, FL
Vehicle(s): G320 & ML320
Posts: 1450
| RE: Safari snorkle
fourbyfourclub - 6/27/2007 10:21 PM Jonathan Joseph - 6/27/2007 8:32 PM Vlad What are the most common causes of damage to the snorkel? Branches,rollovers,....? Jonathan Jonathan, if you roll over last think you worry is a snorkel. Most damage from branches and trees, this is how the military W461 snorkel looks on a "real" ORC car. BTW this is W460 with M104 engine and automatic transmission. I would LOVE to see the pictures with the M104 Engine. I am trying to figure out how to fit a snorkle with virtually no room to fit anything in there... |
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