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NOPEC Extreme Veteran Date registered: Feb 2008 Location: Babylon, Long Island, NY Vehicle(s): 1985 Mercedes 300GD Posts: 374 | RE: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... What does "PTO" stand for? RE: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... hi guys, just one thing I need your confirmation on, does a 1982 300GD originally have this little knob left to the radio where you can adjust your idle with when turning it? I think so reading through some old articles I have, but still am very surprised to see it, only thought these kind of options would go together with PTO functions. | ||
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NOPEC Extreme Veteran Date registered: Feb 2008 Location: Babylon, Long Island, NY Vehicle(s): 1985 Mercedes 300GD Posts: 374 | RE: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... What does "PTO" stand for? RE: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... hi guys, just one thing I need your confirmation on, does a 1982 300GD originally have this little knob left to the radio where you can adjust your idle with when turning it? I think so reading through some old articles I have, but still am very surprised to see it, only thought these kind of options would go together with PTO functions. | ||
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trc Elite Veteran Date registered: Jun 2006 Location: Estonia Vehicle(s): MB G350DT '93; MB 300 SD '83 ; Subaru Forester, Posts: 786 | Re: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Power takeoff http://www.audioenglish.net/dictionary/pto.htm Edited by trc 10/6/2008 9:15 AM | ||
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hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A | RE: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Good news that the restoration is commencing! Looks like a good start would be to remove the body and have a general paint stripping done. The rot on that one looks pretty general in nature, and since it's the closed van body that was the original point of most interest, it would seem like that would be the place to focus the restoration. It's going to be difficult to discern the extent of the rust by just starting at individual panels. If at all possible it would be best to strip the whole thing and then evaluate it. Good luck, and keep us posted! -Dave G. | ||
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bram_r Expert Date registered: Apr 2007 Location: the Netherlands Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD Posts: 1659 | RE: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... hipine - 10/6/2008 8:47 PM Good news that the restoration is commencing! Looks like a good start would be to remove the body and have a general paint stripping done. The rot on that one looks pretty general in nature, and since it's the closed van body that was the original point of most interest, it would seem like that would be the place to focus the restoration. It's going to be difficult to discern the extent of the rust by just starting at individual panels. If at all possible it would be best to strip the whole thing and then evaluate it. Good luck, and keep us posted! -Dave G. thanks Dave, to what level the bodywork is going to be done is something I'm not a 100% on, but I'll have plenty of time to think about that. As with earlier restoration work I've done, it's better to first have all the technical work sorted and done, and when everything is fully in place and working reliable, do a final stripdown and do the bodywork. Nothing more frustrating that having to grind or drill in freshly painted panels. As for my general planning. When I'm finished catching up neglected maintenance and having most of the (electrical) installations back to original (or neatly installed instead of the dozen wire splitters I already removed => brown wire getting red and then getting black again...), my first big project will be installing a om617a mated to 5 sp. G1/18 overdrive tranny. Apart from freshening up the interior, seats, headliner, I also need to update the suspension with some white springs and Bilstein or Koni shocks and I think I may go 31 or 33" size tires, have to see about my gearing on that as well. What or how I'm going to build in the cargo area is not decided yet. Tonight I removed the old metal and wooden installation the previous (landscaping) owners build in there, so it's all down to metal. Nice to see that large empty space. In the meantime I'm trying to pick up ideas about body color, roof racks, options and so on. Will probable take me a year or more before the detailing can start... Bram | ||
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bram_r Expert Date registered: Apr 2007 Location: the Netherlands Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD Posts: 1659 | RE: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... currently working on the front axle, just to check on the CV-joint rubbers (turned out to be torn), regrease and readjust bearings, and work on brakes on front and rear axle. as seen before on older 460's, my rear shock mounts seem to have rusted away some time ago and shocks are now supported by a large L-beam directly welded on chassis. Will order some new shock mounts, restore the tube coming out of the chassis and weld in new shock mounts. For this I'm gonna raise the body a bit off the chassis to get some work-space to weld. And those shocks should better be replaced as well. Will try to gather some info whether to go for Koni (heavy track) or Bilsteins. Advice is appreciated. On my 280GE I've got white springs front/rear, but I've heard advice of white rear / red front as well. Have got to take a look into that as well. Bram pics: (DSCN7317k.JPG) (DSCN7318k.JPG) (DSCN7320k.JPG) (DSCN7323k.JPG) Attachments ---------------- DSCN7317k.JPG (131KB - 5 downloads) DSCN7318k.JPG (135KB - 3 downloads) DSCN7320k.JPG (111KB - 3 downloads) DSCN7323k.JPG (106KB - 3 downloads) | ||
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trc Elite Veteran Date registered: Jun 2006 Location: Estonia Vehicle(s): MB G350DT '93; MB 300 SD '83 ; Subaru Forester, Posts: 786 | Re: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Bram. HT-Suspension that is in Netherlands will sell you good springs also. http://ht-suspension.com/pages_eng/kontakt.html many of here have them - as me also. check: http://www.pointedthree.com/disc/forums/showthread.php?tid=6249&sta... If your car will be ment to heavy offroad use - go for Heavy Tracks. If mostly for roads and unpaved roads - go for Bilsteins. Both are good but if you go for Heavy Tracks - your ride will be quite stiff and bumpy for every day use. Edited by trc 10/21/2008 5:37 AM | ||
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Boy G Expert Date registered: Feb 2007 Location: Bushveld, South Africa Vehicle(s): Diesel G's: 617A and 602 Posts: 1683 | Re: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Bram, If you have to do a lot of work under that wagen maybe remove the body if space allows. It is not very difficult and certainly makes life easier. Rgds | ||
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Fernando BR Date registered: Jan 2007 Location: Brasil Vehicle(s): G500/05 300GE/91 300GD/80 | RE: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Hei Bran , come with it into Brazil as a tourist , i have a 617A in good conditions waiting for a 460... Contratulations - Edited by Fernando BR 10/21/2008 4:10 PM | ||
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bram_r Expert Date registered: Apr 2007 Location: the Netherlands Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD Posts: 1659 | Re: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... trc - 10/21/2008 11:35 AM Bram. HT-Suspension that is in Netherlands will sell you good springs also. http://ht-suspension.com/pages_eng/kontakt.html many of here have them - as me also. check: http://www.pointedthree.com/disc/forums/showthread.php?tid=6249&sta... If your car will be ment to heavy offroad use - go for Heavy Tracks. If mostly for roads and unpaved roads - go for Bilsteins. Both are good but if you go for Heavy Tracks - your ride will be quite stiff and bumpy for every day use. Thanks for the info and the link, some good info there. Will contact this company this week. Never occured to me Eibach is making G-springs as well. Have to see about the 2" and 3" options, decisions, decisions.. Bram | ||
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elevatorbernie Expert Date registered: Aug 2006 Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada Vehicle(s): 1989 280GE Posts: 1347 | Re: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Those rear spring seats look different....what is that hockey puck shaped piece on top side? Edited by elevatorbernie 10/22/2008 2:40 AM (DSCN7320k.JPG) Attachments ---------------- DSCN7320k.JPG (59KB - 3 downloads) | ||
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mennolijk Member Date registered: May 2007 Location: the Netherlands,Harderwijk Vehicle(s): Puch 300GD-1989,Vito 115-2006 Posts: 47 | Re: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Yeah,looks strange,maybe something to lift the body but a 1/2" bodylift doesn't make much sense. Menno | ||
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Wout Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Belgium Vehicle(s): Mercedes 280GE 1979/230G 1980/ C220CDI/A170CDI/ Posts: 145 | Re: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Bram, I thougt my cabrio was in bad shape but this one is also a lot of work. I have seldom seen greater courage. Wish you luck with your project. If You think I can be of any help, please send me an PM. As for the rubber piece on the rear spring seats, this has nothing to do with a bodylift. On the early 460 models it was meant as an extra support of the body on the chassis. On the later models it wasn't there anymore. You can still order the rubber piece. The metal L shaped piece (part 44) is no longer available as far as I know. If You replace the spring seats with new ones You will see that there is no threaded hole for the rubber piece anymore. (Aufbaulagerung0.jpg) (Aufbaulagerung1.jpg) (Aufbaulagerung2.gif) Attachments ---------------- Aufbaulagerung0.jpg (67KB - 6 downloads) Aufbaulagerung1.jpg (85KB - 5 downloads) Aufbaulagerung2.gif (10KB - 5 downloads) | ||
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Fernando BR Date registered: Jan 2007 Location: Brasil Vehicle(s): G500/05 300GE/91 300GD/80 | RE: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... As Brain said , a big difference in rear shock position . How much does a shock console cost? Is the alternative solution ok or must be changed ? Edited by Fernando BR 10/22/2008 8:58 AM | ||
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elevatorbernie Expert Date registered: Aug 2006 Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada Vehicle(s): 1989 280GE Posts: 1347 | Re: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Wout - 10/22/2008 1:44 AM Thanks As for the rubber piece on the rear spring seats, this has nothing to do with a bodylift. On the early 460 models it was meant as an extra support of the body on the chassis. On the later models it wasn't there anymore. You can still order the rubber piece. The metal L shaped piece (part 44) is no longer available as far as I know. If You replace the spring seats with new ones You will see that there is no threaded hole for the rubber piece anymore. | ||
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bram_r Expert Date registered: Apr 2007 Location: the Netherlands Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD Posts: 1659 | RE: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Fernando BR - 10/22/2008 1:49 PM As Brain said , a big difference in rear shock position . How much does a shock console cost? Is the alternative solution ok or must be changed ? Hi Fernando, For a shock 'Konsole', I've got quoted E 37,09 per side excl. discount. For this alternative solution using an L-section, well it works, shocks stays in place, but I rather spent some time on it and have it back to original mounting points. Tonight I removed body mounting bolts, will jack/lift it up a decent amount about the frame to give me plenty access to grind, weld, and repair these sections. Bram | ||
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greybrick Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | Re: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Interesting looking grill guard in the first photo, is that an OEM MB piece or something made up? | ||
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bram_r Expert Date registered: Apr 2007 Location: the Netherlands Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD Posts: 1659 | Re: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... greybrick - 10/25/2008 12:06 AM Interesting looking grill guard in the first photo, is that an OEM MB piece or something made up? it was something made up, pretty well build and tough, but didn't like it and I removed it and traded it against some G parts I will install some guard again, but will make something that looks like those military G's, these are nice and not too cumbersome. Also will include a winch in that design, but for now more important tasks lay ahead like maintenance, inspection and rust repairs... Bram | ||
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bram_r Expert Date registered: Apr 2007 Location: the Netherlands Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD Posts: 1659 | RE: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Rebuild my rear shocks mounts, see posts above for 'before-situation': - cut off L-beam sections which were welded on chassis by previous owner - cut out rotten section of chassis tube (left and right) - welded in new section of 70x5 mm tube (left and right) - after finishing, welded on new MB- shock mounts (Konsoles), (left and right) - after painting, it will look quite original again. I did plug-weld all around the Konsole, where MB can make full beads since they have the frame in a manipulator Bram (DSCN7389k.JPG) (DSCN7388k.JPG) (DSCN7390k.JPG) Attachments ---------------- DSCN7389k.JPG (61KB - 3 downloads) DSCN7388k.JPG (126KB - 3 downloads) DSCN7390k.JPG (117KB - 3 downloads) | ||
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hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A | RE: 300GD Kastenwagen, shouldn't do it, but... Very nice welds! You've done this once or twice before, I think! Great job correcting that mess. -Dave G. | ||
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