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bram_r
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Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD
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| Re: original G dash switches
tonight I fixed all my switches using the LED's and 580 Ohm resistors. Works great!
Regarding partnumber of switches:
rear window wiper switch (position up / down, switched): 002 545 1307 (8 pins)
rear window washer switch (position down/momentary): 002 545 0507 (4 pins)
rear window heater switch (position down/switched): 002 545 2307 (4 pins / same as my winch switch)
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Otiswesty
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Location: Portland, Oregon
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| Re: original G dash switches
nadd - 4/14/2008 4:13 PM
I think the seat heating switch will do that nicely. Up for low power, down for full power, and it returns to neutral when no pressure is exerted.
Do you know if the heated seat switch is the same size as the other dash switches. I know they are typically down on the center console, and I have seen some variability in the 463 switch sizes. I will hit up epcnet to see if I can get a part number for one of those switches. The insert part number I listed on page one of this post. |
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bram_r
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| RE: original G dash switches
I've been a bit lazy updating this topic, but here goes:
Installed my switches couple of weeks ago. There's no metal plate behind my dash-padding, so with a small mallet and a sharp X-Acto knife, cut the correct size squares in the dash to fit the switch-holders.
Regarding electrical installation, I connected four wires to each switch.
one positive wire for switch illumination, one ground for switch illumination, one positive wire coming from relais, one ground for relais switch wire. Used the ground point of cigarette lighter for both ground wires.
One the rear side of the original fuse box, I installed an extra fuse box and my relais. So everything is very good accesable, but can hardly be seen when looking at the driver footwell area. Will post pics when newly aquired relais-holders have been fitted and harness is taped and tie-wrapped in place.
Anyway, I now have a flashlight and a working work-light at the back. The middle switch I might use for a set of extra back-up lights, but is not connected at the moment. As can also be seen, installed a nice and decent Blaupunt radio. As can not be seen, installed a set of 4x6" speakers in front footwell area and a 27mc radio set has just arrived and will be installed shortly. Will start a new topic on all the wiring I did to my car.
here goes dash switch pics:
- during installation
- finished result
- extra fuse box and relais under construction
- my flash- and searchlight
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Otiswesty
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Nice clean install, thanks for all the pics and info Bram |
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shochu
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Date registered: Jul 2006
Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
Vehicle(s): indonesian-assembled '97 G300
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| Re: original G dash switches
any chance of seeing a pic with the LEDs turned on?
i'm dying to get mine done (by someone else, mind you, i'm terrible with these DIY things)
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bram_r
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Date registered: Apr 2007
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| Re: original G dash switches
shochu - 4/25/2008 3:49 PM
any chance of seeing a pic with the LEDs turned on?
i'm dying to get mine done (by someone else, mind you, i'm terrible with these DIY things)
tia
I've tried to, but it's hard to get the little light that's glowing out of the switches on camera. Too dark.
Anyway, it's very nice to see all switches illuminate again when lights are turned on, just one of these little things that makes the interior look 'done'
With the very usefull guide posted above, fixing these switch lights is really do-able with a little patience and a small soldering iron.
Putting the switches back together is also not that difficult, just insert the (white) switch assembly in it's housing, slide it in a little until holes where small spring and ball should go in line up, then insert spring and steel ball through the hole(s) in switch housing, slide switch assembly a little further and use a small screwdriver to settle the steel ball in the hole properly. Then slide it all the way up and your done.
Test LED before install though.
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fernweh
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany
Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa
| Re: original G dash switches
Bram,
Very nice work and you got a great looking dashboard - what a difference the factory stuff makes 
Enjoy it in good health
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bram_r
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| Re: original G dash switches
thanks Karl,
btw, that radio is factory radio from a Kia I believe, but it's Blaupunkt and doesn't have too many idiot lights and equalizer bars so it matches quite good I think (and was really cheap second hand).
Now only installing a 27MC radio and have to find some fitting speakers in the rear, and I'll be ready working on the interior for some time.
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jeremyw
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Date registered: Apr 2010
Location: Portland, OR
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| RE: original G dash switches
Wout - 3/9/2008 2:43 AM Bram, nice 280GE you have there. As far as I know the cut-out for the switches is already in the metal sheet of the dasboard and the only thing you have to do is to cut out the plastic cover. At least on the dashboard of my 280GE they were already there. Mine is however a bit older and has the first type of switches. If you push with your fingers on the place where the cut-out should be you can feel if I'm right.  wkr Wout Wout, You have the early W460 switches like me. However, next to your no smoking sign you have a late model W460 (headlight aiming??) switch. Did you wire that late model switch in at a later time? (I've wanted to update all my early switches to late as there are so many more later model switches, but it'd be a lot of work). PS--Anyone have a factory(Rotzler) early-style winch switch?
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Wout
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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| RE: original G dash switches
Jeremyw
The switch you are reffering to is a later installation. It is from a 463 model.
Wiring these switches is not so difficult as it seems. Most of them are switching power to a relais.
If you read the topic again you will find very useful information from Bram about the wiring.
Wkr
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jeremyw
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| RE: original G dash switches
Wout - 9/16/2010 4:13 AM
Jeremyw
The switch you are reffering to is a later installation. It is from a 463 model.
Wiring these switches is not so difficult as it seems. Most of them are switching power to a relais.
If you read the topic again you will find very useful information from Bram about the wiring.
Wkr
Wout
Thx!
Gorgeous blue G by the way! |
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nadd
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| Re: original G dash switches
otiswesty - 4/16/2008 2:48 AM
nadd - 4/14/2008 4:13 PM
I think the seat heating switch will do that nicely. Up for low power, down for full power, and it returns to neutral when no pressure is exerted.
Do you know if the heated seat switch is the same size as the other dash switches. I know they are typically down on the center console, and I have seen some variability in the 463 switch sizes. I will hit up epcnet to see if I can get a part number for one of those switches. The insert part number I listed on page one of this post.
Apologies only just seen this! It does look identical in size to the window switch on the 1991 300GE, but not sure about the switches on the vertical part of the dash. |
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jeremyw
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| Re: original G dash switches
bram_r - 3/7/2008 2:04 PM
Maxwell Smart - 3/7/2008 10:58 PM
Bram - do you have a factory winch?
Tschiewagon had a box of switches. Many I hadn't seen before including one for turning off all the electrics for use in military vehicles.
my car unfortunately had a factory winch, but is removed at some point. The extra connector behind the front bumper (passenger side ) is still there, as is the winch switch, rest is gone...
For those who want to check the EPC with a G VIN with factory winch here's my WDB46023317037987
And for the VIN read-out:
VIN WDB46023317037987
Model 280GE284X4
Chassis 46023317037987
Engine 110994 10 005038
Transmission 711101 10 004626
Order 6 4 226 00106
Approx. year not defined
Dealer Munich branch (226 )
Paint 1470 colorado beige
Options
A70 differential lock, front axle (с 1978 )
A71 differential lock, rear axle (с 1978 )
C79 chassis parts, model-bound
D46 roof rack (с 1978 )
E21 h.d. battery
bicycle rack in cargo area (с 26.06.1997 )
E51 bicycle rack, alustyle (double ) (с 1978 )
short-range interference suppression
F79 cab parts, model-bound
G52 cable winch (с 1978 )
G75 speedometer adapter
H12 auxiliary heater (с 1978 )
H22 heated rear window (с 1978 )
K88 auxiliary tank 13.5 liter (с 1978 )
15-liter additional tank
L16 halogen fog lamps (с 1978 )
L18 rear fog lamp (с 1978 )
L62 reading lamp (с 1978 )
M79 engine parts, model-bound
Q58 tow-off coupling, front (с 1978 )
S18 tilt adjustment, driver's seat
S30 driver's seat headrest (с 1978 )
S32 co-driver's seat headrest (с 1978 )
S96 elimination of rear seat bench (с 1978 )
V18 interior trim in black (с 1978 )
V34 grab handle and instrument panel padded (с 1978 )
W73 rocker panel on rear panel door (с 1978 )
W83 rear window wiper/washer (с 1978 )
Y10 first aid box (с 1978 )
Y44 warning triangle (с 1978 )
Hey Bram,
You have E51 listed differently above than I found for mine;
"E51 CLOSE SCREENIN
Radio interference suppression for the electrical system. Used primarily in Military, Police and Fire applications where radios were used in the truck."
Yours being a radio vehicle would definitely have this I'm not sure why mine does but I think it was originally intended to be a fire truck.
Any idea how the electronics are different in order to suppress radio interference? |
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jeremyw
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| RE: original G dash switches
Wout - 3/9/2008 2:43 AM Bram, nice 280GE you have there. As far as I know the cut-out for the switches is already in the metal sheet of the dasboard and the only thing you have to do is to cut out the plastic cover. At least on the dashboard of my 280GE they were already there. Mine is however a bit older and has the first type of switches. If you push with your fingers on the place where the cut-out should be you can feel if I'm right. wkr Wout
Wout,
What is the switch to the left of the foglight switch for?
How about two to right of windshield squirter?
TIA
Edited by jeremyw 11/26/2010 8:35 PM
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Wout
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| RE: original G dash switches
Jeremy,
sorry for the delay.
The switch on the left is for the Webasto heater.
The two switches on the right were original for the blue flashlight and the two tone horn on the roof.
Now they are used for switching the shortwave radio and HF amplifier.
Wkr
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jeremyw
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| RE: original G dash switches
Wout - 12/5/2010 4:15 AM
Jeremy,
sorry for the delay.
The switch on the left is for the Webasto heater.
The two switches on the right were original for the blue flashlight and the two tone horn on the roof.
Now they are used for switching the shortwave radio and HF amplifier.
Wkr
Wout
Awesome, thanks Wout! If you have time, I'd love to see close-up pictures of them, and maybe a part number if you have them. These "oddball" early dash switches really intrigue me! |
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DesertStar
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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| RE: original G dash switches
bram_r - 4/24/2008 2:49 PM I connected four wires to each switch. one positive wire for switch illumination, one ground for switch illumination, one positive wire coming from relais, one ground for relais switch wire. Used the ground point of cigarette lighter for both ground wires. One the rear side of the original fuse box, I installed an extra fuse box and my relais. So everything is very good accesable, but can hardly be seen when looking at the driver footwell area. Bram Hey Bram, Do you remember if the positive,ground and light wire connections on the back of the switch (harness connections) the same position for each different type of switch ? I really enjoy reviewing this thread from time to time. P.S. I know this thread is 3 years old. 
Mike
Edited by DesertStar 6/17/2011 2:54 AM
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bram_r
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| Re: original G dash switches
Hi Mike,
I also use this topic as reference if I want to look up some info on part numbers or leds for the different switches, but thanks for the comment.
As far as I remember and I can see on the picture, yes, all switches use the same standard position for the different functions.
Only the switches that got more outputs (like the three way position switches) got more connections, but things like ground connections, input for the illumition and such use the same positions throughout the different type of switches.
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jeremyw
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I'm still waiting for a picture of the illusive "early style"(non-rounded-edges) W460 winch switch...everyone seems to have the late style rounded-edged W460 switch. |
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bram_r
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Date registered: Apr 2007
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| Re: original G dash switches
jeremyw - 6/21/2011 5:27 AM
I'm still waiting for a picture of the illusive "early style"(non-rounded-edges) W460 winch switch...everyone seems to have the late style rounded-edged W460 switch.
I've got most of welding done on my 1982 300GD, pretty soon I can start with others things, one part indeed is getting a nice dash with the correct switches. I'll let you know what I can find... |
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