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Posted 11/3/2008 3:11 PM
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Re: PTO (Power take off)

yes thats true but higher cc pump gives higher flow per rev, also in first gear with wheels spinning gives some drive assist but its getting a happy medium.
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Posted 11/3/2008 3:19 PM
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RE: PTO (Power take off)

Thanks for the info Ian, that was Wizzzard. I can play with pump and pulley size flow control etc but there is a standard kit for the G available from Schmidt, I'll look into that.
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Posted 11/3/2008 5:33 PM
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RE: PTO (Power take off)

roughneck - 11/3/2008 9:19 PM

Thanks for the info Ian, that was Wizzzard. I can play with pump and pulley size flow control etc but there is a standard kit for the G available from Schmidt, I'll look into that.


interesting, the best option would be to install a variable displacement pump so you can control hydraulic power (flow) by controlling it's swash plate.

Bram
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Posted 11/3/2008 6:00 PM
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RE: PTO (Power take off)

bram_r - 11/3/2008 10:33 PM

roughneck - 11/3/2008 9:19 PM

Thanks for the info Ian, that was Wizzzard. I can play with pump and pulley size flow control etc but there is a standard kit for the G available from Schmidt, I'll look into that.


interesting, the best option would be to install a variable displacement pump so you can control hydraulic power (flow) by controlling it's swash plate.

Bram


Thats the kind of thing I had in mind. I'm looking at a MAN Winter Dienst tomorrow I'm fairly sure they will have got it right and the principles scaled down will be the same applied to the G.
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Posted 2/5/2013 5:35 PM
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Re: PTO (Power take off)

Does anybody with a PTO originally installed in his/her G tell me how the PTO is engaged.
On my PTO, there's a cable attached to the PTO actuation lever, looking at the EPC, it shows a shifting rod.
Basicly rod pn. A 460 280 04 56 is for vehicles up to VIN 023958 but actually looks like a cable in the picture (also not longer available.
Rod pn. A 460 280 04 55 really looks like a rod and is for vehicles from VIN 023959 and should be available.

Curious what is used and how it works.

gr. Bram
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Posted 2/6/2013 10:16 AM
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Re: PTO (Power take off)

Hi Bram,

the pto is activated by the same procedure like engaging the manual difflocks. You pull the lever - just 1 or 2 inches will do and the pto is activated.

The pto lever is to be found roughly 4 to 5 inches in a straight line behind the difflock levers.

If you are referring to the two different rods pictured below - I will try to take pictures of the setup in my cars with pto - this might take a little while

as the days are short and its coldish outside.

raicar

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Posted 2/6/2013 6:18 PM
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Re: PTO (Power take off)

Thanks a lot Raicar, this is what the EPC pic looks like in real life.
The blue lever in the first picture is referred to as not available anymore. There's only a piece of this cable attached to my PTO box which I installed this weekend.
I'll go ahead and order the lever and additional parts as shown on your second picture.

Thanks again, Bram
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Posted 2/6/2013 9:40 PM
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Re: PTO (Power take off)

PTO.....I'm jealous.

Cool stuff
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Posted 2/9/2013 5:54 PM
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RE: PTO (Power take off)

Here's my PTO I installe recently.
A detail showing the control arm, would I need to replca this part as well when I install the 'new' type control rod?

gr. Bram





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Posted 2/12/2013 4:16 PM
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Re: PTO (Power take off)

Well, I ordered pn. A 460 280 04 55, pretty soon I'll find out if I can convert my PTO from cable to rod operation.

gr. Bram
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Posted 2/17/2013 11:29 AM
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RE: PTO (Power take off)

Well, I now got my control rod, but see pics what's my next problem.

The control cable connects to this ball joint, while the control rod needs to connect to some kind of bushing.
Anyone got some pics how what is mounted on the lever coming out of the PTO?

Problem is: the control lever matching this rod isn't available anymore according to the EPC (pn. A 360 280 07 56) while the lever now on my PTO (pn. A 460 280 01 56) is avaibale but the matching control cable is not available anymore.

Maybe I can adapt the current lever..?



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Posted 6/15/2013 5:49 PM
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RE: PTO (Power take off)

So I disassembled my PTO box to remove the actuator arm.
With that actuator arm removed, I was able to remove the ball joint set up and replace it by a bolt + bushing that I made.
I made a bronze bushing with correct size to correct it for the diameter difference and installed it with a M6 bolt.
Should be good to go now!

Bram





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Posted 7/8/2013 4:44 AM
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RE: PTO (Power take off)

Hi Bram,

the fixed lever set up is exactly what both my G's with PTO have,

raicar

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Posted 7/8/2013 6:02 PM
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Re: PTO (Power take off)

Do you have a switch attached to the PTO lever?
Thanks for the pics btw!

Bram
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Posted 7/9/2013 9:27 AM
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Re: PTO (Power take off)

Hi Bram,

ja - this switch closes the circuit for the winch remote control - it's a TÜV thing.

raicar



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Posted 8/14/2013 5:42 AM
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RE: PTO (Power take off) - mechanical winch

a PTO box with mechanical pto winch combo:

http://link.marktplaats.nl/702839992

Don't know if it's original, but nice.

Bram



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Posted 8/15/2013 3:14 AM
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RE: PTO (Power take off) - mechanical winch

Hi Bram - nice find!

This winch is often to be found in G's used by Swiss utility companies. A company called KELLER in Thun/Switzerland built those G's in the late 80's until the early 90's using FAIREY (later on taken over by SUPERWINCH) PTO driven winches - see mor here: www.kellerfahrzeugbau.ch/images/pict2599.jpg

I have one of those in use - very sturdy and easy handling!

raicar


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Posted 8/15/2013 12:51 PM
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Re: PTO (Power take off)

Wow, nice G's!
Can you tell a bit more on these G's?
First one 461 type pick up, second one 461 Wolf..both of them with Keller winch installation afterwards or original?
Which one is yours?
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Posted 8/16/2013 3:24 AM
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Hi Bram,

one has the FAIREY/SUPERWINCH setup and one has the WERNER winch...and they are both mine.

My first major project started 1996 based on a German Luftlande WOLF. It went through numerous renovation and

upgrade steps including body off, 602 D25A engine with automatic transmission (no electronics at all)..finished after

10 years - that one has a WERNER winch.

The PICKUP project started 2008 based on a dilapidated PUCH from Switzerland with a wheelbase of 3,12m and a

KELLER alloy bed. The major steps there were a new military cabin with SCHMUDE Hardtop, 603 D35A engine with

auto box, Diesel catalyzer and particle filter...it's not finshed right now - this one has the FAIREY/SUPERWINCH.

Raicar



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Posted 8/16/2013 5:59 PM
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Re: PTO (Power take off)

Super, thanks for the info!
You can be very proud on these very nice G's; both of them having a pto winch adds to the cool factor haha!
Why go for the military cabin on the pick-up btw? Just because you wanted it or was the original cab in bad shape?
Anyway very good looking G's1

All the best, Bram
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