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DUTCH
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| Yes, There is a Recess
DesertStar - 3/4/2009 5:19 AM Now...let me know if you find a recess in the outer ring.
Mike
See the attached photo. The only problem is the location. On the left side, if you place the split in the outer ring at 12 o'clock and the small cutout in the outer ring for access to the lower caliper bolt, that recess for the split seal clip will be located at 8 o'clock; i.e. on the forward edge at about 30° down from the horizontal. This will be a place to attract crap to sneak past that split in the swipe seal. I really wish it was located at 1 or 2 o'clock when facing the left front wheel.
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DesertStar
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
Thank you Dutch. I will see how long mine lasts not using the "cutout" but having the split at the 11:00 position. It also appears the cutout would be very easy to copy in another position. I also think you can mount that ring in any position while knowing that if you have to service the calipers removal of the ring may be needed.
Mike
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Migtw
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
I ordered a new gasket for my axel service and MB dealer send me a split one.
The old one came out in 10 pieces and there was no C clip.
I can order the C clips to go on with the job but i would like better to have a non split gasket like in my old 460.
Anyone knows if it´s possible to have a non split joint that fits properly the axel. What´s the part number.
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DUTCH
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
Migtw - 3/8/2009 8:28 AM
I ordered a new gasket for my axel service and MB dealer send me a split one.
The old one came out in 10 pieces and there was no C clip.
I can order the C clips to go on with the job but i would like better to have a non split gasket like in my old 460.
Anyone knows if it´s possible to have a non split joint that fits properly the axel. What´s the part number.
The non-split swipe seal can only be installed, if the swivel ball joint housing is removed from the axle; i.e complete disassembly of the joint housing. |
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texas993
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| Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
To add to this string for further knowledge sharing.
I did the split seal today on my 2005 G500. 70k miles. Very lightly used truck, but it lived its life in West Tx. Dry and dusty out there. So rubber components are drying out. That is true for these seals.
My truck isn't ready for a axle re-build, so I didn't want to get into all of that.
I used the split seal. My original seal was split too, but there was no clip. The existing metal band next to the seal has the two holes for the clip, but the holes were positioned at the 12 o'clock position. The notch is lower, as described below. I used the clip on the split seal, tips pointing towards the wheel, and rotated the metal band so that it would fit into that notch. At that 8 o'clock position as you look at the wheel from the side of the truck.
I hope that it holds up. Oh, and darn it, before I read these forum, I added that darn redline grease (as instructed on another board). That stuff is separating and I wish that I could get it out! |
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ychung
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
I am going to install split swipe seals, but I'm still not clear on a couple of things.
First, does the clip points toward the differential as per EPC, or does it points toward the hub?
Second, where would be the position of the split holes?
Did 04 came with non split or split swipe seal?
If mine originally came with the non split one, would the metal ring still have the recess for the clip?
I am sorry for bringing back an old thread, but I'd really appreciate comments for who've done this.
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AlanMcR
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
The normal seal isn't split. The split is installed with the split at the 12'oclock position. I recall the pins pointing in, towards the differential. I think there are holes/depressions that the pin fits into, so there really is only one way to get it to fit right. I would be tempted to add some sort of sealant to the actual split, maybe even a solvent that would weld the ends together. The seals job is to keep water out and grease in. Being at the top, the split can let water in.
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DUTCH
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
AlanMcR - 6/19/2017 2:59 PM
The normal seal isn't split. The split is installed with the split at the 12'oclock position. I recall the pins pointing in, towards the differential. I think there are holes/depressions that the pin fits into, so there really is only one way to get it to fit right. I would be tempted to add some sort of sealant to the actual split, maybe even a solvent that would weld the ends together. The seals job is to keep water out and grease in. Being at the top, the split can let water in.
STRONGLY disagree with this. 1.) The pin points go towards the hub. There is an indentation or notch in the large outer ring for the top of the u-shaped pin to fit in (see the photo in one of my posts earlier in this thread) and the smaller inner steel ring has holes for the points of the pins.
2.) If you line up the indentations in that large outer steel ring PROPERLY with indentations in the swivel ball housing, you will find that the holding pin notch is at about 30° down from the horizontal on the swivel ball. This, too, is mentioned in one of my earlier posts in this thread.
That being said, I replaced the split swipe seals very quickly with the solid swipe seals, as the split swipe seals passed copious amounts of grease at the splits. The split swipe seals are not satisfactory imnsho. |
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ychung
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
That's why I've asked question since it's been done two different ways in placement of the pin as well as the split.
Interestingly, both ways seemed to worked according to who've done it.
Dutch, I am going to follow your instruction because what you're describing totally makes sense to me.
I am going to install the split seal only because I didn't think I am capable of dong the non-split seal which involves dismantling of the whole axle.
If the split seal doesn't hold off well, I am going to install the non-split one, encouraged by the short cut method described in other thread.
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DesertStar
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
ychung - 6/20/2017 5:13 PM That's why I've asked question since it's been done two different ways in placement of the pin as well as the split. Interestingly, both ways seemed to worked according to who've done it. Dutch, I am going to follow your instruction because what you're describing totally makes sense to me. I am going to install the split seal only because I didn't think I am capable of dong the non-split seal which involves dismantling of the whole axle. If the split seal doesn't hold off well, I am going to install the non-split one, encouraged by the short cut method described in other thread. Are you sure you need seal replaced ? Nothing worse than going through all of this and having the same result...you can always post a photo of your swivel ball here and some of the seasoned G owners can tell you if the grease buildup looks normal or not. FWIW, I had good luck with my install from 2009. Here is a photo 6 years after install.
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ychung
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
You may be right. I think I might've made a mistake of putting Redline CV2 grease in there. I now have oil seepage rather than chunk of greases around the swivel ball.
However, that's only happening on the driver side, the right side looks normal. I am just going to install the split seal on the driver side and see what happens. I am also going to use MB Fuchs Renolit grease, Part #001989345111, in there. |
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Otiswesty
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| Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
Remember, the swivel ball is really only protecting the cv joint and boot. It is not a critical part of the drive train or steering assembly. Take a deep breath and fill the swivel with the right grease and watch it. Plenty of nervous owners have had this rebuild done when it may not have been necessary. Find out how bad it is leaking. If you have the incorrect grease in there and it is too thin, it will obviously be lost more quickly.
On the other hand, it does not hurt to do the job correctly with a new unsplit seal if you want to. All it costs you is time, money, or both. And maybe some busted knuckles. |
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DesertStar
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
ychung - 6/21/2017 5:31 PM You may be right. I think I might've made a mistake of putting Redline CV2 grease in there. I now have oil seepage rather than chunk of greases around the swivel ball. However, that's only happening on the driver side, the right side looks normal. I am just going to install the split seal on the driver side and see what happens. I am also going to use MB Fuchs Renolit grease, Part #001989345111, in there. I pretty much agree with Otis. Well, I put Redline grease in mine when I first got it, and the driver side seemed to leak more grease than the passenger side as well. You may be surprised with how much old grease you can remove from the little fill hole with your fingers and flexible tubing. Maybe a good part of the CVT grease that was in there already separated and seeped out ? If it was me, and not making a huge mess everywhere, I would not bother with the seal and let the CVT grease run its course and just wipe the excess off a little more often for the time being. Again, nothing worse than replacing something and getting worse results.
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DUTCH
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
ychung - 6/21/2017 8:31 PM
You may be right. I think I might've made a mistake of putting Redline CV2 grease in there. I now have oil seepage rather than chunk of greases around the swivel ball.
As much as I like the Redline products, I do not like and quit using their CV grease. It separates into a thin oil and the thicker heavier residue. One of our other members experienced the same thing and no longer uses it, too. |
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Inkblotz
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| Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
I replaced my seals with the solid not split seals a few years back. There is a factory procedure where you can pull the entire hub without disturbing the wheel bearings replace the seals and then bolt it back up.
Mark
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DUTCH
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| Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
Inkblotz - 6/22/2017 7:31 AM
I replaced my seals with the solid not split seals a few years back. There is a factory procedure where you can pull the entire hub without disturbing the wheel bearings replace the seals and then bolt it back up.
Mark
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ychung
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| Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
Thank you all for your kind comments, I'll hold off on it for now as you guys pointed out and I agree that it's not really necessary to replace the seal. Also, it's not anywhere near to drip greases to ground.
Although I have no knowledge of how greases and oils break down works, it sure looks like the separation is the correct word as it seeps out of the ball.
I'll try somehow to get Redline grease out of there as much as I can, or I just let it go and watch it over time.
Problem is that I really like to work on my truck so much that I try to come up with something to work on the weekend and you guys are big part of the reason for giving me instruction and inspiration.
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Inkblotz
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| Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
If you pull the entire hub as in the PDF I posted you will be able to scoop out most if not all of the grease and start fresh.
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NHDave
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
In my opinion, the only reason to replace the wiper seal, due to excessive amount of grease weeping, is because the CV boot failed. Rebuilt the front end two months ago..new everything, solid wiper seals and no more weeping.
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Megardt
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| RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??
Did this two weeks ago as well and I was just in there to replace the king pin bearings.
Accidentaly ordered both versions of the seal, both split and regular.
Could not get the split seal to work properly, it was just frustrating so in the end I went with the regular.
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