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Posted 2/6/2009 4:44 PM
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Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??

I have the split swipe seals and clips to be installed when I get a chance. The first photo shows these little buggers against a mm scale. MB List Price is US$26.00 each. Not cheap!!

The swipe seals have holes at the split for the clip to hold the split ends together. I'm guessing that the pointed ends go in towards the hub, as shown in my crude sketch. The external holding ring must keep the clip in place. Because they are such heavy gauge, I ass=u=me that they should not be crimped closed like a big paper clip.

Anyone with hands on experience using these clips on the split swipe seal? Am I making good assumptions in how they're used?



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RE: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??

Dutch,
It's been a while since I replaced mine on a 280GE (460), but as far as I remember the clips go from the inside to the hub, just as in your drawing.
First You put in the ring with the two little holes were the clips will fit in (no 74).. Then the split swipe seal (No 83)with the clips. The two pins of the clip have to fit in the ring and cannot be bended.
Than the seal (No 86) and the outer ring (No 77). If You use the split swipe seals ,You have to use other outer rings as well, as the standard (closed) outer rings don't have a recess for the the
small clips.( At least on my 280GE).There is a complete set of these parts available, but I don't know the correct partnumber. Why these small clips have to be so expensive is a mystery to me. There is nothing special about hem as far as I can see

The clips in the drawing from the EPC are the wrong way around.

It's quite an adventure to get those swipe seals in the right place. The split should be on top at about 10 or 2 o'clock. I first greased the seals and started with putting the bolts in from the top.
Then pushed the swipe seal with a piece of wood under the outer ring and put in another bolt and worked so my way down.
I did not use the paper seal but used a loctite silicone seal.
I did it this way and it worked well for me. It is not based on any Mercedes workshop information or WIS, so it is only additional information.
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Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??

Some related info is to be found here:

http://72.167.155.99/gtech.php?sid=listAll&pageTitle=Article%20Inde...

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Thanks Wout !

Your explanation is about how I imagined that it would be; but your description helps a lot.

The EPC only shows one outer seal holder (and it's a 460 part, even on my 463), so the recess for the clip may already be there.

Thanks for your help!
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Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??

I've just done this job, on both sides, as I'm in the process of a full front axle service. The outer seal did have a recess for these clips but it is at about 7 o'clock on the seal (12 o'clock being top). I positioned the clips as per the EPC. I drilled a hole in the swipe seal for the clip as I couldn't push it though. The clip is then at 7 o'clock i.e. the split is at that point. Note that there is a cut-out in the outer seal (part no 77) that lines up with an indentation on the housing, which lets you get to the bottom brake caliper bolt with a socket and extension. Hence why I didn't (couldn't) position the split at 12 o'clock.

I tightened the outer seal much as 'wout' describes. Starting at the bottom, ensuring the clip and recess are lined up, and then progress up to the top and adding bolts each side as you push the swipe seal in. It suddenly just seats itself as you get to the final couple of bolts at the top.
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Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??

MiN - 2/7/2009 6:55 AM
I positioned the clips as per the EPC.


Thanks for the response. Are you saying that you positioned the clips with the points away from the hub and towards the outer seal holder (#77)?
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Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??

Yes, thats right Dutch.
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MiN - 2/7/2009 10:38 AM

Yes, thats right Dutch.


And where/how do those long points pass through that outer seal holder?
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Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??

DUTCH - 2/7/2009 7:42 AM

MiN - 2/7/2009 10:38 AM

Yes, thats right Dutch.


And where/how do those long points pass through that outer seal holder?
I used the one piece seals when I did mine so I'm just guessing here, but maybe you could fold them over like a staple and then once the seal ring is bolted down it would keep the clip from spreading open. Or you could install the clips pointing toward the hub and not fold the points. Once the seal ring is bolted it willl keep them from coming off. You might have a difficult time to keep it the clips in place while the seal is streched when the ring is bolted down.

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Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??

elevatorbernie - 2/7/2009 4:04 PM

DUTCH - 2/7/2009 7:42 AM

MiN - 2/7/2009 10:38 AM

Yes, thats right Dutch.


And where/how do those long points pass through that outer seal holder?
I used the one piece seals when I did mine so I'm just guessing here, but maybe you could fold them over like a staple and then once the seal ring is bolted down it would keep the clip from spreading open. Or you could install the clips pointing toward the hub and not fold the points. Once the seal ring is bolted it willl keep them from coming off. You might have a difficult time to keep it the clips in place while the seal is streched when the ring is bolted down.



Thanks. Bending those 2mm diameter hardened steel clips will probably be a real trick; and for what they cost, I don't want to break them. I'm guessing that, like everything else when it comes to working on this truck, more will be revealed when I've taken it apart; and I start trying to reassemble everything!
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DUTCH - 2/7/2009 2:17 PM

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DUTCH - 2/7/2009 7:42 AM

MiN - 2/7/2009 10:38 AM

Yes, thats right Dutch.


And where/how do those long points pass through that outer seal holder?
I used the one piece seals when I did mine so I'm just guessing here, but maybe you could fold them over like a staple and then once the seal ring is bolted down it would keep the clip from spreading open. Or you could install the clips pointing toward the hub and not fold the points. Once the seal ring is bolted it willl keep them from coming off. You might have a difficult time to keep it the clips in place while the seal is streched when the ring is bolted down.



Thanks. Bending those 2mm diameter hardened steel clips will probably be a real trick; and for what they cost, I don't want to break them.
Good point, I guess they are that thick because they didn't intend for the clips to be bent. If the clips were mounted with points not bent and facing toward the hub; at 2mm thick they would be strong enough to resist spreading open.
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Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??

The outer seal holder (part no. 77) has a recess which tapers towards its middle. With the clip's ends facing into it, my guess is that when you tighten the bolts the tapered shape of this recess may bend the clips ends together, or at least hold them together pretty firmly. This would not be the case if the clip faces into the hub. They do not pass through the seal holder.
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I am not sure but I think this sysrem with the split seal and clips only applies
to very early trucks.
Dutch, please let us know if you find a way to mount on your truck.
Cheers Warren
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<p>Hi Dutch, As far as my memory goes, I believe those clips only have to be used when you change the original 1-piece grease seal with a new grease seal that has been cut. So if you have the chance to use a new non-cut grease seal, that is the better option. I have done 3 or 4 front axle services and I have never used those clips. I always used new non-cut grease seals instead. You wil have to remove the outer part of the axle hub however. Hope this helps. </p><p> Greetings from Belgium, Frank</p>

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Re: Split Swipe Seal Clip - How To ??

I remember doing this job on my old 300GD once
threw away the clips and installed the split seal with the opening in 12 o'clock position
working from the bottom up installing the bolts, the seal slides into place and the gap closes while tightening the bolts
never had any water intrusion from the top
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Seems like using a one piece 460 seal there would be the way to go.

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frank_be - 2/8/2009 2:16 PM

Hi Dutch, As far as my memory goes, I believe those clips only have to be used when you change the original 1-piece grease seal with a new grease seal that has been cut. So if you have the chance to use a new non-cut grease seal, that is the better option. I have done 3 or 4 front axle services and I have never used those clips. I always used new non-cut grease seals instead. You wil have to remove the outer part of the axle hub however. Hope this helps.

Greetings from Belgium, Frank



Thanks Frank. These seals will be installed without removing the hub. Tis the reason for going with the split version.
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I am not sure but I think this sysrem with the split seal and clips only applies
to very early trucks.
Dutch, please let us know if you find a way to mount on your truck.
Cheers Warren


Well the split seals and clips are listed as good and proper parts for my 2000 G500 (W463).

I will post a followup when I do the job. It may be a couple of weeks until I get to it, because I'm planning to replace the brake rotors at the same time.
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Warren T - 2/8/2009 1:54 PM

I am not sure but I think this sysrem with the split seal and clips only applies
to very early trucks.
Dutch, please let us know if you find a way to mount on your truck.
Cheers Warren


It may be a couple of weeks until I get to it, because I'm planning to replace the brake rotors at the same time.


Are you going to use stock rotors? The Powerbrake aftermarket rotors I installed on my G are outstanding and outperform the stock units. I would recommend them without hesitation. The 463's have some other choices for improved rotors that have been cryo treated etc. Very worthwhile improvement to braking performance. My truck now stops like a Mercedes.

-Dai
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What is item#74 , I don't recall seeing those clips #80 when I did my axle. Is it a flat steel retaining ring?
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