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| sps Veteran Date registered: Oct 2007 Location: "G" is in the DC area Vehicle(s): 2000 G500 Cabriolet plus others Posts: 236  | ||
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| Re: SACHS HD vs Koni HT SPX on W46 sps, Thanks - in my searching it seems most people say the Sachs HD stuff is stiffer than their OEM suspension, however most people who post that are non-55 owners who already have softer suspension than I do. I will try and hunt down Mario  To your point about travel - it is clear that the suspension on the 55, while better than previous years, seems to be geared towards sport driving. I know a lot of members here really adhere to the engineering put behind these trucks from the factory, however I am not one for "half-assing" modifications. I will keep my factory shocks and should the replacements not be "up to snuff" - I will not hesitate to go back to the original setup. -m | ||
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| logigeek Veteran Date registered: Feb 2009 Location: Japan Vehicle(s): 96 Tectite G320 Cabriolet, 02 Tectite G500 Posts: 122 | Re: SACHS HD vs Koni HT SPX on W46 I put the Koni SPX on my G500, and on the out-of-the-box settings I felt no difference vs my OEM shocks on bumps, but I do feel a positive difference when cornering. And they're cheap | |
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| Indiana Drew Expert Date registered: Feb 2007 Location: Houston Tx Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 LWB, 1980 280GE SWB (Sold), S500 Posts: 2223  | Re: SACHS HD vs Koni HT SPX on W46 Marcus Frost - 6/16/2010 6:18 PM sps, Thanks - in my searching it seems most people say the Sachs HD stuff is stiffer than their OEM suspension, however most people who post that are non-55 owners who already have softer suspension than I do. I will try and hunt down Mario To your point about travel - it is clear that the suspension on the 55, while better than previous years, seems to be geared towards sport driving. I know a lot of members here really adhere to the engineering put behind these trucks from the factory, however I am not one for "half-assing" modifications. I will keep my factory shocks and should the replacements not be "up to snuff" - I will not hesitate to go back to the original setup. -mIf you search Mario and Koni he has offered some pretty in depth insight into his choices. I believe he is using a heavier Koni than the SPX - HT I believe. I have attached the HT Raid and the SPX data. It they are from Koni international site. I just had SPX installed along with spring spacers, but I have not done enough driving for a report. Attachments ----------------  Koni for 463.pdf (97KB - 66 downloads) Koni for 463A.pdf (98KB - 43 downloads) Koni for 460.pdf (98KB - 28 downloads) Koni for 460A.pdf (97KB - 21 downloads) | |
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| Brent Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SW Colorado USA Vehicle(s): '13 Wolfsburg GTI Posts: 1754  | ||
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| djdinaz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Arizona Vehicle(s): 03 G55 Posts: 439  | ||
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| 512bbi Expert Date registered: Jan 2007 Location: North western US and Europe Vehicle(s): 05G55kge,Range rover classic,clk55amg,ML 430 Posts: 1313 | RE: SACHS HD vs Koni HT SPX on W46 Marcus Frost - 6/16/2010 1:15 PM Hello everyone, I'm looking to swap out the shocks on my G ('09 G55) for something that is not as "sporty" and allows for more suspension travel (and some more comfort would be nice too). I have been recommended these two shocks as replacements and would like to know what other forum member's experience with them has been... everyday manners, offroad, etc. Greatly appreciated. -m Hi Marcus The largest part of the comfort issue with the amg G is the brutal gas pressure on the rear shocks and the cilastios (rubber helper springs inside the shocks) of the shocks designed to be already compressed at stock ride height . The way they operate help the truck to have a lot less body roll on fast corners and also help from harsh bottoming out of the suspension when running fast off road. If you eliminate the rear shocks to another make at the rear only as a first step you might find out if that along might be enough to have the comfort level you want. The front could be made to ride a little softer with stock shocks and springs if you install MB rubber spacers over your front springs which will help by not allowing the stock cilastio to compress enough at ride height but only when having some body roll on turns. That will also give you half an inch higher front ride height if not a little less. Your stock springs are the same rate with red three stripe fronts(MB only) and slightly softer than MB browns two stripe at the rear. I run them for more clearance off road and for more travel and flex I have found the Koni raids 90 series to be longer travel than stock in comparison to any other shock made for the G including the spx konis which do ride even more comfy than the raids because they have less compression forces but enough extension forces to give a controlled ride on the street. The raids are made with 60% more compression force than the spxs in order to control larger unsprung weight than stock (heavier larger tires and maybe wheels) and the extension forces are adjustable as the spxs are, only they start higher at the lowest setting and go higher also at the higher settings too. The raids have no gas and the spxs do. If you do not do heavy off road travel the spxs will be the best choice for comfort if you are comparing Konis.......bilsteins are not as comfy in my opinion or off road worthy. On the G55k I would adjust them stiffer to maintain more rebound and less body roll. When it comes to rubber you can make a difference also and go with 285-65-18 for more comfort than stock and with Michelin at2s or revo 2s you can still maintain sharp handling , more comfort and real performance off road as long as you turn your speed limiter at least 20 mph less than stock  Mario | |
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| G1979 Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Indialantic, Fl Vehicle(s): G500 2005 Posts: 185 | ||
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| G1979 Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Indialantic, Fl Vehicle(s): G500 2005 Posts: 185 | RE: SACHS HD vs Koni HT SPX on W46 Mario which are the MB rubber spacers? Picture one or Two? (W463SpringBufferF.jpg) (W460SpringBufferF.jpg) Attachments ---------------- W463SpringBufferF.jpg (8KB - 7 downloads) W460SpringBufferF.jpg (11KB - 7 downloads) | |
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| chris505 Date registered: May 2007 Location: San Francisco Vehicle(s): '79 280E/'80 280GE/'00 G500 | ||
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| djdinaz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Arizona Vehicle(s): 03 G55 Posts: 439 | ||
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| 512bbi Expert Date registered: Jan 2007 Location: North western US and Europe Vehicle(s): 05G55kge,Range rover classic,clk55amg,ML 430 Posts: 1313 | ||
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| robwill54 Veteran Date registered: Aug 2007 Location: South of Houston on the Gulf Vehicle(s): '12 G550,F350 Superduty, E250 Posts: 140 | ||
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| Indiana Drew Expert Date registered: Feb 2007 Location: Houston Tx Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 LWB, 1980 280GE SWB (Sold), S500 Posts: 2223 | Re: SACHS HD vs Koni HT SPX on W46 robwill54 - 7/9/2010 11:56 AM My truck is a stock '03 and ready for tires and shocks. Can I run the 285/65/18's mentioned without any wheel spacers/etc? Could you recommend a tire brand for mostly on highway use? Bob Size should be fine - see below:
Data from 1010Tire ... As to brand, do you want to go with All Season or AT? How close to spec do you want to go? What speed rating? Edited by Indiana Drew 7/9/2010 1:30 PM | |
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| robwill54 Veteran Date registered: Aug 2007 Location: South of Houston on the Gulf Vehicle(s): '12 G550,F350 Superduty, E250 Posts: 140 | ||
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| Indiana Drew Expert Date registered: Feb 2007 Location: Houston Tx Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 LWB, 1980 280GE SWB (Sold), S500 Posts: 2223 | ||
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| dai Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon USA Vehicle(s): 300GD 300TD BMW R100RS Landini 80F Posts: 2110 | ||
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| shakir Extreme Veteran Date registered: Dec 2006 Location: London , UK Vehicle(s): 1986 280 GEL manual, lpg.1991 300GEL AUTO Posts: 404 | ||
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