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NHDave
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Date registered: Dec 2013
Location: Seacoast NH.
Vehicle(s): 2004 AMG
Posts: 465
| Re: Smoke-in G500
So I leave out fuse 27, (mask it with blue tape, stating "do not replace, so on") ,,, and yet, the rear illuminated sills are still working?
That said, they're history as well!
I feel so good, I saved me a ton of cash and a G from the recycle bin!
Yikes.
Now that I didn't have to send it off to a dealer, "who couldn't read the star diag. for fear of setting the truck on fire connecting the battery", I owe myself the STAR.
Can anyone recommend the right version for a 2004 G55?
I'm aware of the C3, but do I need it?
Thank you all for your rapid response>
I shall complete my profile and I shall share all my discoveries as they unfold, for as long as I own this Mammoth!
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Titus Pullo
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Date registered: May 2007
Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada
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| Re: Smoke-in G500
AlanMcR - 12/17/2013 10:22 PM Trolling for some super models, eh?
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GwagenLover
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Winston Salem, NC USA 27104
Vehicle(s): 2016 G550 & 2016 GLE350
Posts: 473
| Re: Smoke-in G500
I am at a loss here, I thought fuses were in place too protect the wiring!
NEC USA says to size the fuse @ 80% of the wire amperage capacity.
Has Mbenz lost their minds?
I'm thinking they build a $100K vehicle and then do something like this. Amazing!
I too still have the 2002 and I'm now wondering if I should disconnect the door sill lights to protect my G!!
Edited by GwagenLover 12/18/2013 10:08 AM
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Redbull Addict
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Date registered: May 2006
Location: Morgan Hill, California USA
Vehicle(s): '12 G550
Posts: 171
| Re: Smoke-in G500
Maybe I missed something...Is that the original fuse and proper size? Perhaps the previous owner or workshop changed out the fuse at some point. Whose to say that is the original fuse put in by MB? |
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NHDave
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Date registered: Dec 2013
Location: Seacoast NH.
Vehicle(s): 2004 AMG
Posts: 465
| Re: Smoke-in G500
GwagenLover - 12/18/2013 10:06 AM
I am at a loss here, I thought fuses were in place too protect the wiring!
NEC USA says to size the fuse @ 80% of the wire amperage capacity.
Has Mbenz lost their minds?
I'm thinking they build a $100K vehicle and then do something like this. Amazing!
I too still have the 2002 and I'm now wondering if I should disconnect the door sill lights to protect my G!!
My front door sills where never working when I bought the truck, it's when my high beams stopped working and I went into the fuse box looking at the fuses, I discovered two where blown.
One was 30 amp the other 7.5 amp. I replaced them both. Within 30 seconds, smoke came out of the fuse box.
That 7.5 amp fuse worked at one time but for some reason, not the second time.
I can't say for certainty this caused the OP's truck to burn but I have to tell you, I really hope there's isn't another problematic source because, it's not fun seeing smoke
coming out of a fuse box. Especially when you know, your not going to have time to reach the battery, grab a socket and remove the terminal! |
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Otiswesty
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Date registered: Jun 2007
Location: Portland, Oregon
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| Re: Smoke-in G500
Any good ideas for repurposing the wiring to the door sill illumination?l |
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Chris
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Date registered: Sep 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
Vehicle(s): 2012 G550, 2012 GL350 BT
Posts: 241
| Re: Smoke-in G500
My truck is in the shop for this reason right now. Noticed the smoke from the illuminated sill about three weeks ago and it tripped the door sensors and everything else. it was bad enough that the roadside assistance tech said move the truck outside and disconnect the battery and get it towed to your local dealer. The culprit is a build up of water in the foot wells which saturates everything including the wiring for the sill lights. Now before we fix the wiring, we must address how the water is getting in. I should add that there apparently was so much water in there that the heat from the exhaust system was causing a burning rubber smell even through the heat shields below. So todays tests are to include where the leaks are coming from... Door sills or perhaps from the sunroof and down the pillars. Apparently this is the 3rd G at my dealership in Calgary to have this issue. |
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NHDave
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Date registered: Dec 2013
Location: Seacoast NH.
Vehicle(s): 2004 AMG
Posts: 465
| Re: Smoke-in G500
OK
I found the smelly culprit, it's the door sill illumination inverter!
I found it tucked behind the hood latch and then behind the plastic covered window entering the wheel well.
It's oozing this black burnt circuit board smelly stuff!
It's the exact smell the smoke had, hard to forget this smell!
I would post a picture if I could.
I hope this helps you out Chris
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Chris
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Date registered: Sep 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
Vehicle(s): 2012 G550, 2012 GL350 BT
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| Re: Smoke-in G500
Without seeing the list of parts that would have been used or will be used. I am sure this will be part of it. I just need to eliminate the water issue before moving on to the light issue. |
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NHDave
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Date registered: Dec 2013
Location: Seacoast NH.
Vehicle(s): 2004 AMG
Posts: 465
| Re: Smoke-in G500
Chris - 12/18/2013 4:42 PM
Without seeing the list of parts that would have been used or will be used. I am sure this will be part of it. I just need to eliminate the water issue before moving on to the light issue.
That is a priority for sure!
Keep us all posted? |
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GwagenLover
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Winston Salem, NC USA 27104
Vehicle(s): 2016 G550 & 2016 GLE350
Posts: 473
| Re: Smoke-in G500
NHDave - 12/18/2013 3:29 PM
OK
I found the smelly culprit, it's the door sill illumination inverter!
I found it tucked behind the hood latch and then behind the plastic covered window entering the wheel well.
It's oozing this black burnt circuit board smelly stuff!
It's the exact smell the smoke had, hard to forget this smell!
I would post a picture if I could.
I hope this helps you out Chris
Please post the picture of the location! |
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GwagenLover
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Winston Salem, NC USA 27104
Vehicle(s): 2016 G550 & 2016 GLE350
Posts: 473
| Re: Smoke-in G500
I left out a question I have concerning this:
It there more than one sill illuminator module?
One for each door, or does one unit feed both door sills?
When disconnected do you get an indicator that a bulb is out on the dash?
Edited by GwagenLover 12/20/2013 9:29 AM
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DUTCH
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
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Posts: 9963
| Re: Smoke-in G500
GwagenLover - 12/20/2013 9:27 AM
I left out a question I have concerning this:
It there more than one sill illuminator module?
One for each door, or does one unit feed both door sills?
When disconnected do you get an indicator that a bulb is out on the dash?
I can't speak to the 2002 G500, but for the 2000 G500 there is one on each side. |
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Redbull Addict
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Date registered: May 2006
Location: Morgan Hill, California USA
Vehicle(s): '12 G550
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| Re: Smoke-in G500
I believe there is 1 per side for the '02+ as well. I don't remember where I read it but when I was trying to diagnose my drivers side door sill issue I recall it mentioning that there was one per side. |
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djdinaz
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Jun 2007
Location: Arizona
Vehicle(s): 03 G55
Posts: 439
| Re: Smoke-in G500
It there more than one sill illuminator module?
One for each door, or does one unit feed both door sills?
When disconnected do you get an indicator that a bulb is out on the dash?
There's one for each door. For the front inverters, the same fuse powers both of them. They're pretty much an 'add-on' electrical item. Pull the fuse or disconnect them, and you'll get no warnings from the truck. Though don't send power to them without the electroluminescent strip plugged in -- the inverters burn up without a load.
They're located in the small kick panels in the footwell behind the carpet on each side. Pull the felt/rubber door gasket away by that carpet, then lift the carpet away. There's a piece of that plastic sheeting w/ the black butyl gasket stuff (like on the doors) that covers a hole at the base of the A pillar. Look inside and you'll find a foam wrapped green box about 2 1/2 inches long with a plug on one end.
Rears get their power from the same fuse (#26) as well.. However, the mystery to me is where the heck they're located. I've pulled a lot of the rear carpet up, and followed the lead from the strip, but, have no idea where MB stuffed the little boxes on each side. (I have a flakey left rear inverter that I'd replace if I knew where it was).
To kill them all, just pull the 7.5A fuse #26 in the F34 (front drivers side) fuse box.
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GwagenLover
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Winston Salem, NC USA 27104
Vehicle(s): 2016 G550 & 2016 GLE350
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| Re: Smoke-in G500
There's one for each door. For the front inverters, the same fuse powers both of them. They're pretty much an 'add-on' electrical item. Pull the fuse or disconnect them, and you'll get no warnings from the truck. Though don't send power to them without the electroluminescent strip plugged in -- the inverters burn up without a load.
They're located in the small kick panels in the footwell behind the carpet on each side. Pull the felt/rubber door gasket away by that carpet, then lift the carpet away. There's a piece of that plastic sheeting w/ the black butyl gasket stuff (like on the doors) that covers a hole at the base of the A pillar. Look inside and you'll find a foam wrapped green box about 2 1/2 inches long with a plug on one end.
Rears get their power from the same fuse (#26) as well.. However, the mystery to me is where the heck they're located. I've pulled a lot of the rear carpet up, and followed the lead from the strip, but, have no idea where MB stuffed the little boxes on each side. (I have a flakey left rear inverter that I'd replace if I knew where it was).
To kill them all, just pull the 7.5A fuse #26 in the F34 (front drivers side) fuse box.
I'll pull the fuse today. Thanks & Merry Christmas!
Done! took 3 minutes.
Edited by GwagenLover 12/21/2013 11:46 AM
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NHDave
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Dec 2013
Location: Seacoast NH.
Vehicle(s): 2004 AMG
Posts: 465
| Re: Smoke-in G500
GwagenLover - 12/21/2013 11:34 AM
There's one for each door. For the front inverters, the same fuse powers both of them. They're pretty much an 'add-on' electrical item. Pull the fuse or disconnect them, and you'll get no warnings from the truck. Though don't send power to them without the electroluminescent strip plugged in -- the inverters burn up without a load.
They're located in the small kick panels in the footwell behind the carpet on each side. Pull the felt/rubber door gasket away by that carpet, then lift the carpet away. There's a piece of that plastic sheeting w/ the black butyl gasket stuff (like on the doors) that covers a hole at the base of the A pillar. Look inside and you'll find a foam wrapped green box about 2 1/2 inches long with a plug on one end.
Rears get their power from the same fuse (#26) as well.. However, the mystery to me is where the heck they're located. I've pulled a lot of the rear carpet up, and followed the lead from the strip, but, have no idea where MB stuffed the little boxes on each side. (I have a flakey left rear inverter that I'd replace if I knew where it was).
To kill them all, just pull the 7.5A fuse #26 in the F34 (front drivers side) fuse box.
I'll pull the fuse today. Thanks & Merry Christmas!
Done! took 3 minutes.
If you pull the fuse, you'll get an open door display, (drivers door) from the cluster. There's one inverter per door, from my experience in a 2004.
The rear sills are still illuminated, so there must be another fuse/inverters for the rear doors.
Edited by NHDave 12/21/2013 9:56 PM
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GwagenLover
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Winston Salem, NC USA 27104
Vehicle(s): 2016 G550 & 2016 GLE350
Posts: 473
| Re: Smoke-in G500
I rushed out to check this.
I started the G and nothing! No open door indicator with the engine running, and the door open.
Pulling the fuse seems to have had the opposite effect from your G.
I can do without the "open Door" indicator if it prevents a fire.
I have insurance, but the G is in the garage with a new 2013 ML that I don't want to be burned up.
Plus the garage is only 4 feet from the house and contains no fire or smoke alarm.
I for one appreciate magnitude of the information that is presented in this forum.
Edited by GwagenLover 12/22/2013 9:43 AM
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thebigblue
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| RE: Smoke-in G500
The strange ting is if out use the switch to prevent the interior lights to go on when opening the doors the lights in the rear door sill still comes on, but not the front ones... what on earth is the reason for this? |
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djdinaz
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Jun 2007
Location: Arizona
Vehicle(s): 03 G55
Posts: 439
| Re: Smoke-in G500
The rear sills are still illuminated, so there must be another fuse/inverters for the rear doors.
I was looking at wiring diagram pe82.20-p-2100-99gd -- which is for trucks as of #156043. The pe82.20-p-2100-99gc for trucks up to #156037 doesn't even have rear sill illumination on it.
Doing a blanket search for pe82-20-p-2100-99 prefixed docs, there are a ga, gb, gc, and gd series of diagrams.
ga covers up to #127356
gb covers from #127357 to 31.8.03
gc covers from 1.9.03 up to #156037
and gd covers as of #156043.
The rear sill inverters (N81/2 and N81/3) don't show up in the wiring diagrams until the GD series of doc.
Based off the diagrams, I shouldn't have illuminated rear sills. They're not in any component list for it, and there's no reference for them.
From the GB to GC series is where the confusion stemmed from. In the GB series, the power for these things is driven off a door contact switch -- no SAM or control unit feed. In the GC series is where MB started routing everything through the front SAM. I would suspect that for trucks made after 9/1/03, pulling the fuse would cause the SAM to fire a warning. In the end, it comes down to when your truck was made. If its pre 9/1/03, pull the fuse, if it's post 9/1/03, pull the DC/AC inverters to disable. |
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