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norsecarnut Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle(s): 07 Rover LR3, 08 Audi S4Avant,04 Disco2,96 Disco1 Posts: 305 | rambling but relevant Fernando BR - 7/30/2011 12:04 PM For me igloo is the best , i have many ( boats..etc..etc..) for more than 15 years witout troubles.... http://www.roadtrucker.com/12-volt-coolers-accessories/12-volt-cool... pc. Land Cruiser system at center console using AC cold air is nice for beers.......I would be a G upgrade I started with one of those 10 years ago, and yes, while it still works, it only works as well as it ever was designed to do. Meaning, they are super cheap and simple, however they constantly run no matter what the temperature is inside. That inside temp is completely dependent on the outside temp and in my experience, when the air temp is 90+, it's only "cool", certainly not "cold" and I don't think things like meat or other items prone to salmonella would be safe. So, aside from being an easy way to kill your battery and being cheap, I don't think that cooler is good for real outings over days. I have had my best use of it in the winter trips where I was always in temps below -10. That little cooler kept things from freezing solid because you can flip the cord connection to "warm/red" Of course, all of the above can be avoided by building the food supply out of non perishable items that aren't susceptible to freezing or heat depending on where you are going. It would suck to be days out from a store having a compressor failure and not much food that won't spoil. Sort of like my lr3 air suspension, it's awesome but if it fails in the boonies, you could have a hell of a time getting home depending on the terrain. I never travel that far out though without either a mountain bike or skis. | ||
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hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A | RE: fridge/freezer for G500 kerry460 - 7/30/2011 11:46 PM having owned and used engels , i wouldnt buy another, this is because my bushman fridge is far superior in my opinion.... Can you tell us why, K? To coin a phrase, "Enquiring minds want to know" All the best, -Dave G. | ||
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or_550i Veteran Date registered: Oct 2010 Location: Portland, OR Vehicle(s): 1984 280GE Europa, 2003 G500 Posts: 264 | Re: fridge/freezer for G500 Jwestpro - 7/31/2011 11:28 AM Can we have a solar charging solutions thread? It's along the lines of how to power these things over extended outings without running the engine or draining the 2nd battery fully. Or for the lazy like me - continue this thread... I am looking at the 43 qt Edgestar. It has a 4.5 amp start (@12V) and then 2.5 amp run. I've read that most folks see an average draw of 1.5 amps per hour - or 18 watts. A 20Watt solar panel would work. In fact, this is exactly what I was planning on doing! Jwestpro - 7/31/2011 11:39 AM Fernando BR - 7/30/2011 12:04 PM For me igloo is the best , i have many ( boats..etc..etc..) for more than 15 years witout troubles.... http://www.roadtrucker.com/12-volt-coolers-accessories/12-volt-cool... I started with one of those 10 years ago, and yes, while it still works, it only works as well as it ever was designed to do. Meaning, they are super cheap and simple, however they constantly run no matter what the temperature is inside. That inside temp is completely dependent on the outside temp and in my experience, when the air temp is 90+, it's only "cool", certainly not "cold" and I don't think things like meat or other items prone to salmonella would be safe. The peltier junction fridges suck. Period. The best they can do is 20 degrees less than the ambient temp *AND* they draw a massive amount of current all the time. Compressor refrigerators (danfoss) are the only way to go. Edited by or_550i 7/31/2011 3:29 PM | ||
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kerry460 Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: tasmania australia Vehicle(s): 1984 300GD LWB WAGEN Posts: 611 | RE: fridge/freezer for G500 hipine - 8/1/2011 5:09 AM kerry460 - 7/30/2011 11:46 PM having owned and used engels , i wouldnt buy another, this is because my bushman fridge is far superior in my opinion.... Can you tell us why, K? To coin a phrase, "Enquiring minds want to know" All the best, -Dave G. a number of reasons, lack of accurate temperature control, with hot days and cold nights , i needed to adjust the thermostat or have everthing freeze overnight. complex power supply , due to 32 volt motor, this means expensive parts, a 60 litre i owned was going to cost $550 to replace the power supply, this was over 10 years ago. noisier than the bushman. bushman has lower power usage. kerry | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | Re: fridge/freezer for G500 Jwestpro - 7/31/2011 12:28 PM interesting, why "4" ? because I need to outfit 4 of my expedition vehicles and my spoiled clients started frowning on my old Igloo boxes with block ice I guess, I have to buy cappuccino makers next maybe even hire a French chef for the campfire meals thanks to Overland Journal KISS is no longer acceptable | ||
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hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A | RE: fridge/freezer for G500 Thanks for sharing your insight, Kerry. Good to know. -Dave G. | ||
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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | Re: fridge/freezer for G500 4x4abc - 7/31/2011 8:12 PM Jwestpro - 7/31/2011 12:28 PM interesting, why "4" ? because I need to outfit 4 of my expedition vehicles and my spoiled clients started frowning on my old Igloo boxes with block ice I guess, I have to buy cappuccino makers next maybe even hire a French chef for the campfire meals thanks to Overland Journal KISS is no longer acceptableFour refers humming...How will you ever get any sleep ? Mike | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | Re: fridge/freezer for G500 remember: for me expedition and adventure is work - I sleep when I get back home | ||
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AlanMcR Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, CA, Los Altos Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL Posts: 3500 | Re: fridge/freezer for G500 DesertStar - 7/31/2011 10:09 PM ... Four refers humming...How will you ever get any sleep ? Mike The mind is a funny thing. I used to live a block from the Pacific in an area with good waves. After I moved away I had a lot of difficulty getting to sleep. It was too quiet. So I moved to an apartment near the freeway. Problem solved. | ||
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syncro Extreme Veteran Date registered: May 2007 Location: Orinda, CA Vehicle(s): '84 280GE LWB > 300GD, '75 240D Posts: 477 | RE: fridge/freezer for G500 I have a Coleman Stirling cooler. I doubt it's ruggedized like the other brands but it has been used extensively over the last five years and works great. its a re badge of some medical transport fridge. I bought mine for about 250 on sale - can't beat that Super efficient engine ~24watts Battery protection circuit Poor use of space - almost as big as the current ARB fridge and about half the usable storage. As others have indicated, it felt like a frivolous expense at first but now that my family makes regular use of it, its clearly a bargain. It goes on every family trip and acts as overflow for outdoor parties back home. When budget allows, I'll probably upgrade to an ARB or Engel 45-50L | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3004 | Re: fridge/freezer for G500 I currently use an old ARB that is the rebadged Engel 45 with an interior temp display. I have noticed that as exterior temp varies so wil lthe internal temp. I have to adjust the setting on the fridge to keep from freezing my food overnight. On an Engel without a supplemental thermometer I would see this as becoming an issue. Previously I have used Dometic non-compressor fridges. The downside is that they use twice as much electricity, but are completely quiet. | ||
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DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | Re: fridge/freezer for G500 otiswesty - 8/1/2011 12:07 PM I currently use an old ARB that is the rebadged Engel 45 with an interior temp display. I have noticed that as exterior temp varies so wil lthe internal temp. I have to adjust the setting on the fridge to keep from freezing my food overnight. On an Engel without a supplemental thermometer I would see this as becoming an issue. . I have an Engel MT-35, and have never experienced this temperature variation. Whatever I set it at, holds within +/- 1°F. | ||
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hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A | Re: fridge/freezer for G500 otiswesty - 8/1/2011 10:07 AM ... I have to adjust the setting on the fridge to keep from freezing my food overnight. My experience is more like Dutch's. I've never checked the temperature so can't quote numbers like "+/-1 degree". What I do know is that I always just set it on "3" and everything (milk, tomatoes, juice, etc) stays perfect. Last Christmas was a good example where we were in Death Valley with sunny day temps in the 80s, nights in the low 40s, then on the way home transitioned to below zero at night in Ely, and snowy around 30F in SLC. Food and drinks always came out cool, not frozen. I do keep my fridge in Engel's "Transit bag" all the time which might help moderate it against swinging outside temps. And it's located on the side of the truck that has the awning, plus the magic curtains, so it doesn't see much direct sun exposure (though I need to get some curtains on the rear windows to complete the act). But so far so good, without fussing with it. I know what people mean about being nervous about the knob right on top of the Engel though. I often worry as I slide big duffel bags in and out of the truck, some on top of the Engel (travelling with a family of 5, the back of the G is FULL!), that I might be moving the fridge setting. Thought about taping it, but never did as each time I check it seems to be on the same setting. Doesn't keep me from thinking about it from time to time though. We're lucky to have lots of great solutions to this little luxury now that all work great I'm sure. We'll get a real torture test of the EdgeStar's I'm sure with Harald putting them to pro use like he does. -Dave G. | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3004 | Re: fridge/freezer for G500 Probably it is the house fridge on my camper is running insufficient voltage when the car is not running, so I end up cranking it up on start up. Froze a soda can once, made a big mess. I don't think I have had any similar problems running it on the G500 with just the one factory battery which is in good shape. | ||
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DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | RE: fridge/freezer for G500 hipine - 7/31/2011 1:19 AM The Engle 45 I've had about as long as my G has been bullet proof doing everything, using very little powwer, keeping food and drinks perfectly, for I don't know how long. It's somehow managed to do that without selectable battery cutoffs, digital displays, or much of anything else except rock solid design of the basic necessities. I don't know where it was made or the nationality of the designer. It plain works and I bought it because of the combined millions of jostling miles and tens of years of known experience with the design and manufacture of the unit. Today, I couldn't be sure what to buy either. Most of them seem to want to bench race thier lists of gadgetry. But I look more at economy of space and power, and basic functionality. I figure "what aint there, can't break" and what is there had better be backed up by solid design and a lot of experience. Now that I think about it, My Engel is a lot like my G. Basic no-frills, iron and brick reliability, which suits me exactly but obviously isn't for everyone. Have fun! -Dave G. +1 Those other bells and whistles are nice and quite tempting, but simple solid reliability is really worth a lot! | ||
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koly Elite Veteran Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Vehicle(s): 2000 G500 Posts: 823 | RE: fridge/freezer for G500 Any initial impressions on your purchase(s)? With your work and customers, your feedback loop with 4 fridges is that many times faster than the average joe... love to know what you think if you've had any time to get a first impression. | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | RE: fridge/freezer for G500 I am extremely happy with my purchase - I will buy more next year. Superb insulation, very low amp draw (opposite of what I had read in some tests - but hey, the internals of all fridges, except Engel, are identical Grundfos pumps). For 10 weeks I have left one fridge once a week for 2 days and one night connected to the car battery (outside temp around 90F) - the battery (red Optima) showed no sign of strain when it had to start the car. Sure, my German eye is not too pleased with the craftsmanship, but it is still much better than one of the tests indicated. And the price is unbeatable. $599 for 64 quarts, no tax, free shipping. Just had them sitting in the sun for a few days and the Mexican sun cooked the s**t out of them. Moved them into the garage, connected 110V, filled them with a lot of beer. Took them 10 minutes to go from 100F to 37F - and all of them at the same speed! The noise level is very comfortable, in fact I have to sometimes check the digital display whether they are still on, since I can't hear them run once they have reached their set temp. Much quieter than Karl's fridge - I believe its an Engle. HIGHLY recommended! Edited by 4x4abc 10/14/2011 7:43 PM | ||
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fernweh Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Calabasas, CA - Centenario, BCS - Luebeck, Germany Vehicle(s): Few Mercedes-Benz, a Toyota Amphibious and a Vespa | RE: fridge/freezer for G500 4x4abc - 10/14/2011 4:42 PM I am extremely happy with my purchase - I will buy more next year. Superb insulation, very low amp draw (opposite of what I had read in some tests - but hey, the internals of all fridges, except Engel, are identical Grundfos pumps). For 10 weeks I have left one fridge once a week for 2 days and one night connected to the car battery (outside temp around 90F) - the battery (red Optima) showed no sign of strain when it had to start the car. Sure, my German eye is not too pleased with the craftsmanship, but it is still much better than one of the tests indicated. And the price is unbeatable. $599 for 64 quarts, no tax, free shipping. Just had them sitting in the sun for a few days and the Mexican sun cooked the s**t out of them. Moved them into the garage, connected 110V, filled them with a lot of beer. Took them 10 minutes to go from 100F to 37F - and all of them at the same speed! The noise level is very comfortable, in fact I have to sometimes check the digital display whether they are still on, since I can't hear them run once they have reached their set temp. Much quieter than Karl's fridge - I believe its an Engle. HIGHLY recommended! My Engel is not loaded to the gills with Pacifico like yours, so all the extra glass and fluid makes it run probably much quieter. Another fact, the Engel sits a bit elevated in my G-wagen on the shelf above the cargo area to keep the riff rats away from the content - and the shelf works like a resonance membrane. I do hum an old German Wanderlust Lied and together with the Grundfos sound I fall asleep much faster..... Karl (Star Trails 2011 015.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Star Trails 2011 015.jpg (99KB - 0 downloads) | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | RE: fridge/freezer for G500 Karl, yours has a vibrating sound - all mine emits is a fan sound (and only when connected to 110V it is pronounced - with 12V it is almost a quiet as my Mac) by the way Karl, your Engel does not have a Grundfos pump - you have a Sawafuji Swing Motor | ||
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koly Elite Veteran Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Vehicle(s): 2000 G500 Posts: 823 | RE: fridge/freezer for G500 4x4abc - 10/14/2011 5:42 PM I am extremely happy with my purchase - I will buy more next year. ... HIGHLY recommended! Thanks for the report! I was just surfing around and found that my acquaintance Will at Sierra Expeditions offers this same fridge (different branding: Whynter vs EdgeStar, but identical beyond the branding). He's got the 63qt (labeled on his site as a 65 qt, but the dimensions are exactly the same) and it's priced VERY competitively at $529 (+ $48 for shipping for those of you outside of the Phoenix metro area - not sure if you'd have to pay taxes out of state or not ) http://www.sierraexpeditions.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=264 After your review, I think I'll be picking one up in the near future. Personal testimonial - Sierra Expeditions is a great business - super friendly, knowledgeable guys, great prices, fast shipping, really supportive of the 4 wheel drive community in general and Will is great. Edited by koly 10/15/2011 8:25 PM | ||
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