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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | M113 pulley failure - again now this is my 3rd upper pulley failure in 300,000 miles - and of course I was very far away from any help. Had both of Karl's aluminum replacements in the truck. Had the proper tools as well. Still not an easy job as it might appear. Luckily the belt stayed on the pulley bolt and did not leave me stranded while driving - found the failure during morning inspection. If you ever leave pavement, a daily (thorough) inspection is a must. Even though Samana Santa (the holy easter week) is the busiest outdoor vacation week in Mexico, we had no other cars at the beach within 40 miles. So sad I had to come back home. Edited by 4x4abc 4/17/2014 1:41 PM (DSC_2864-e.jpg) (DSC_2883-e.jpg) (DSC_2806 San Evaristo-e.jpg) (DSC_2894 capilla-e.jpg) (DSC_2717 the girls-e.jpg) (DSC_2985 campo ?-e.jpg) (DSC_2984 coast view-e.jpg) Attachments ---------------- DSC_2864-e.jpg (209KB - 0 downloads) DSC_2883-e.jpg (441KB - 0 downloads) DSC_2806 San Evaristo-e.jpg (253KB - 0 downloads) DSC_2894 capilla-e.jpg (390KB - 0 downloads) DSC_2717 the girls-e.jpg (314KB - 0 downloads) DSC_2985 campo ?-e.jpg (272KB - 0 downloads) DSC_2984 coast view-e.jpg (310KB - 0 downloads) | ||
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bram_r Expert Date registered: Apr 2007 Location: the Netherlands Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD Posts: 1659 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again Too bad you got stranded in such a place with such nice ladies You sure that pulley wasn't sabotaged by Karl? | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again we'll have to ask Karl whether he had his fingers involved | ||
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t_b Regular Date registered: Dec 2013 Location: Virginia, USA Vehicle(s): 2006 G500 Posts: 50 | RE: M113 pulley failure - again Harald - what is the root cause? Does the bearing seize - causing the plastic pulley to stop turning and then get shredded by the still spinning belt? | ||
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G-AMG G-Class DIY Host Date registered: May 2006 Location: South Texas Vehicle(s): '04 G55, '80 280GE, '99 S420, '98 E320, 2011 E350 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again Is it possible your Belt Tensioner is, somehow, TOO TIGHT? | ||
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Titus Pullo Elite Veteran Date registered: May 2007 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Vehicle(s): '90 Wolf 240GD, '06 G270 CDI. Posts: 1010 | RE: M113 pulley failure - again t_b - 4/17/2014 1:47 PMHarald - what is the root cause? Does the bearing seize - causing the plastic pulley to stop turning and then get shredded by the still spinning belt? the roote cause for all these pulleys to fail is that the bearings wears and creates more heat thus destroying the plastic. In my career I've replaced hundreds of them. . | ||
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nadd Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: UAE, Dubai Vehicle(s): G500 2016 LHD, numerous Chevys Posts: 1285 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again So the best prevention is checking the pulleys for smoothness by removing the belt and spinning by hand? | ||
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Razon Date registered: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver, BC Vehicle(s): 1986 280ge Cabrio, 617A, 5sp manual | RE: M113 pulley failure - again 3 failures in 300000 miles is quite good if you ask me. It's a small bearing spinning fast and a plastic roller (plastic gets brittle with time) working in hot environment. Now, it depends if you had 3 failures at relatively equal intervals, or if all three happened recently. Anyway, it's the kind of part that Mercedes should have it listed to be replaces as regular maintenance. It sucks when you gotta pull the toolbox out, but you couldn't have chosen a better place | ||
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Titus Pullo Elite Veteran Date registered: May 2007 Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada Vehicle(s): '90 Wolf 240GD, '06 G270 CDI. Posts: 1010 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again nadd - 4/17/2014 4:29 PM So the best prevention is checking the pulleys for smoothness by removing the belt and spinning by hand? Yes. And this is what I recommend, if noise or play found - replace it. | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again it could well be that my tensioner is too tight - but how do I make it less tight? had a hell of a time to get the new belt on, even with the tensioner released to max | ||
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DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again 4x4abc - 4/18/2014 12:58 AM it could well be that my tensioner is too tight - but how do I make it less tight? had a hell of a time to get the new belt on, even with the tensioner released to max Is it possible your new belt is too short? I don't know about the M113, but with the M110 there were different lengths of belts; and a couple of cm could make a big difference. | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3006 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again Yes there is a 2380 and 2390 mm belts both for this model. Perhaps replacement of the tensioner with a new one will bring tension back to spec although I doubt this is the root cause of the problem. Either a new pulley or bearing every 60-80K miles is indicated. I put in the VTS pulley at 82K miles 2 years ago. | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again I compared the old and the new belt before and they seemed to have identical length I'll check into the 2380 and 2390 mm issue root cause is that pulleys go bad when they were all metal, they started making noise - but you could still drive for a long time now with the combination of metal and plastic, the heat generated by the failing bearing destroys the plastic and the thing disintegrates in minutes that's why Karl's VTS is such a valuable upgrade (the bearing itself can be replaced for a few $ and the pulley remains intact) luckily I had both pulleys in the car | ||
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94rover Veteran Date registered: Oct 2010 Location: 39.2036° N, 76.8569° W Vehicle(s): 02 G500 Posts: 240 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again Titus Pullo or Harald, can you please describe the noise? | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again the noise starts with an occasional squeaking then it turns into a constant rumbling sound (the balls not being lubricated) the plastic pulleys will only squeak (usually right after starting in the morning) for a few days and then instantly fail the metal pulleys will make noise for a long time (never seen one fail catastrophically) | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again checked the belt - it is a 2390 mm belt so, even though the longer version, the tensioner is at the far end of it's curve is there a longer belt, or is the diameter of Karl's pulley off? (DSC_3020-e.jpg) Attachments ---------------- DSC_3020-e.jpg (101KB - 0 downloads) | ||
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94rover Veteran Date registered: Oct 2010 Location: 39.2036° N, 76.8569° W Vehicle(s): 02 G500 Posts: 240 | Re: M113 pulley failure - again Thanks Harald. I have a tick during idle at daily first start up. I've open the hood after idle and the sound was more like a tap. I'll be spending more time discovering the cause. | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3006 | RE: M113 pulley failure - again No, the pulleys are the same size. Perhaps the high tension is intentional to keep the belt from jumping off offroad, otherwise a new tensioner may solve it as mentioned. I remember it being pretty stiff when I replaced my last two pulleys. Didn't you have catastrophic pulley failure of the tensioner pulley before? (tensioner.jpg) Attachments ---------------- tensioner.jpg (231KB - 0 downloads) | ||
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thebigblue Date registered: Jan 2012 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: M113 pulley failure - again So, to my understanding the noise is exactly like in the old days when you had to much slack on the v-belt...? My G400 has developed this sound, began with a short noise at cold start, now it comes on whenever i gun the engine, even when warm. | ||
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4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | RE: M113 pulley failure - again No Peter, the sound of a loose belt is different | ||
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