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Posted 5/16/2014 5:47 PM
kashi123
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Oh dear

Quite some work ahead of me......



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Posted 5/16/2014 6:48 PM
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Re: Oh dear

Time to go shopping for a better body as a start

Good luck!
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Posted 5/16/2014 8:48 PM
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Re: Oh dear

bram_r - 5/16/2014 6:48 PM

Time to go shopping for a better body as a start :)


Nah - kashi should be able to fix anything with that big Hobart welder.

Edit - or is that a plasma cutter? Even better!

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Posted 5/16/2014 10:23 PM
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Re: Oh dear

man, that's a lot of work!
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Posted 5/16/2014 11:10 PM
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Re: Oh dear

Yikes! Godspeed!
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Posted 5/18/2014 8:46 AM
kashi123
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RE: Oh dear

A lot of work is an understatement! Still, with a Hobart welder and a professional bodywork welder as a friend it is doable. Oh and I do have access to a good body rear end to rob bits off.

This is the result of being parked in long grass in a field for a few years

This might take a while......
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Posted 5/18/2014 9:20 AM
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RE: Oh dear

I believe a lot of older Gs have similar rust under the paint. Turns out, if you drive a non-galvanized vehicle through water repeatedly, they rust! These older G wagons need to be soda blasted top & bottom then repainted.

There are companies in the UK that dip & galvanized old body shells. Don't know if a similar company exists in the USA.

Stu
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Posted 5/18/2014 11:35 AM
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RE: Oh dear

Good on ya for patching up that old soldier, Richard! Every one that gets patched up is another one saved for posterity. A worthy endeavor.

Do the Dutch authorities tax you for using that old Hobart? I guess you're ok as long as it's not run by a diesel generator.

I have some other friends (do you believe it?) that want to make Mesa Verde part of a camping trip this fall. I haven't been back since we were there some years ago. Will be interesting to take another look around there.

Good luck with the latest project.

-Dave G.
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Posted 5/18/2014 3:53 PM
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RE: Oh dear

Thanks Dave!

It is a daunting project and seems to get worse the further I dig! I am just happy that my friend who is helping has restored his own G to a lovely standard. And his was even worse than mine! Plus the old girl deserves it, she has been neglected the last few years since her engine was ripped out and sold for cash to fund the other G project

Can you believe it is 5 years ago we went camping at Mesa Verda??? Still the best vacation of my life
Must get back to the States soon!





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Posted 5/19/2014 8:12 AM
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Re: Oh dear

At least you have a nice garage and post lift to work on it....

mine is outside on the drive.... :-(

Good luck; keep us posted on the progress.
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Posted 5/19/2014 4:37 PM
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Re: Oh dear

My pain threshold was reach viewing the first photo! "Oh dear!"
This is beyond hobby statues and right into pure madness...

I hope your not married?

Git er dun!

Carry on!
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Posted 6/5/2014 5:06 PM
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RE: Oh dear

Nope, not married ( anymore) One of the reasons she is in the state she is!
But here a few pictures of progress?! Not been sitting still, in the meantime also built the M110 into the chassis.
The engine donor was an old 280SE now fitted with G-sump and other bits, auto box connected up and she runs!
Wheels turn so fingers crossed on the condition of the auto box.

The rear of the vehicle is now almost done, the underneath and all joins I will sandblast on Sunday, something I am NOT looking forward to!
Then all will be coated in Dinitrol while we tackle the rest, new sills have been made and are ready to be fitted.

As you can see the chassis will need some attention as well, so a huge order went off for new spring and shock absorber mounts, all bushings and added bits and bobs. Thank God for my second job...





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Posted 6/28/2014 4:19 PM
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RE: Oh dear

Did someone say a lot of work?

I have been quiet but busy, now roughly at the halfway mark. Lot s and lots of grinding, bashing and welding!
No filler was used and every bit of metal was shaped by hand, well almost all!

Getting there:




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Posted 6/30/2014 12:53 AM
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Re: Oh dear

the horror!

oh I wish you the best of luck.
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Posted 7/20/2014 4:28 AM
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RE: Oh dear

So a quick update, I have now reached the fun stage of prepping the body for paint (still a long way off though) All the rust we could find has been dealt with, ie. replaced with shiny new metal! One low point for me (or high point depending how you look at it) was when I thought I had finally found all the rust, took a seat in the G and had a contented look around, then noticed the ROOF was rusting where the 'anti roll bar' sits and in one of the corners!! Really: the roof?? Not a huge deal in the great scheme of things and remedied in a few hours but still: the roof?

Anyway i will now get started on the chassis and start replacing the spring and shock perches with shiny new ones, slowly starting to see light at the end of the tunnel! And to cheer myself up I started up the 280 engine yesterday which sprang to life immediately and burbled and roared contentedly ( no exhaust yet)

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Posted 7/20/2014 11:30 AM
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Re: Oh dear

Splendid work! I suspect I am witnessing through your good work what I would have had to undertake if I had not sold my 1980 truck! Thank you for documenting your progress!
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Posted 7/25/2014 5:56 PM
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RE: Oh dear

Really fabulous work Richard. Thanks for sharing. Hope all is well. I have a question for you. I'm totally ignorant in doing body sheet metal work. I notice near all of what I see there, welding wise, is done with a sort of "stitching" pattern where there's a tack every couple inches. Is that the way body work is done? And then I take it the rest is filled with some kind of sealing putty or something? Or does all that stitching eventually get filled in with weld between the stitches? I have some tiny bits of work to do on the 280 this summer so I thought I'd ask before I muck it up too badly.

Thanks, and once again great work! When it's done you'll have to ship it over here for a nice trip around the western US.

-Dave G.
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Posted 7/26/2014 5:36 PM
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Re: Oh dear

Hi Dave,

Yup, getting there slowly.
The reason we didn't do continues welds is that the sheet metal will warp and would take ages to get right again. Afterwards all the welds were treated and then sealed.

Funnily enough leaving for the States in the morning but nowhere near you, Chicago and Atlanta.
Maybe next year I will bring a G over,,should,be fun!

Richard
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Posted 7/27/2014 11:17 AM
hipine



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Re: Oh dear

kashi123 - 7/26/2014 3:36 PM
....The reason we didn't do continues welds is that the sheet metal will warp...


Understood. When you have time, more info on your experience with the seal and finish process would be a great help. Enjoy your USA trip. Hope everyone back east there is doing well.

All the best,

-Dave G.
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Posted 11/26/2014 10:34 AM
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RE: Oh dear

Time for a quick update, much has happened before the 'marriage' could take place late last night.
Would have been able to fully complete that if a. I would have remembered how the rubber bodymounts were fitted and b. If I could have found them....

In the intervening months the whole chassis has been rebushed, new springmounts fitted on both chassis and front and rear axle. While I was at it did a complete front axle rebuild as well. As well as a full brake rebuild including all new brakelines.

Then it was time for our annual offroad trip to france, so the blue G was wheeled in and also got a front axle service and also a rear axle bearings replacement, new handbrake cables and a trip to the authorities to show them i fitted a OM606. They like to know these things. Also found out that my G is becoming obese! 2410kg empty for a swb pickup!
The blue G happily trundled to France and back and did some serious offroading there so the maintenance paid off.

Now I have time again to spend on this red G, just wish I had labeled nuts and bolts etc instead of just throwing them in a large box (or in the direction of...), lesson n learned

Richard

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