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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP I need some help in identifying a connection. I have received my new wiring harness to replace my old rotting harness on my G320. Everything is going pretty smooth up until my last two connections. If you look at the photo attached you will see my new connection on the left on the old connection on the right to the air intake temperature sensor. Can someone who has a G320 check to see if they have the connection on the left? I think the connection on the left will fit the older version sensors? See second attached photo. The wiring diagram for the G320 shows 2 wires going to the sensor...green(gn) and brown/white strip(br/ws). The wire colors of my new connection is green/white stripe(gn/ws) and brown/white stripe(br/ws). Do you think it will still work? DO you think my new harness was made wrong (or updated with new type connection) ? ...or do you think I can substitute a temp sensor that will fit new connection. It sure seems like the old connection is more 'durable and heavy duty', but what the heck do I know. Lastly, if anyone has installed a harness, what is the (last) connection that goes to the left rear of the motor below the oil filter ? Thanks for any help and insight you can provide. Mike Edited by DesertStar 6/8/2014 10:05 PM (IMG_0744 [1024x768].JPG) (bec1580954_is.jpg) Attachments ---------------- IMG_0744 [1024x768].JPG (133KB - 0 downloads) bec1580954_is.jpg (30KB - 0 downloads) | ||
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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | RE: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP A little more info with the attached EPC image. Everything on the harness is accounted for except as noted. It looks like I can just get the intake air temp sensor that fits the different connector and of which seems to be used on later model vehicles. I just cant figure out what #17 on the EPC screenshot goes to....at least until I pull the side of the motor down to get to it. Thoughts welcomed. (M104 wire harness [1024x768].JPG) Attachments ---------------- M104 wire harness [1024x768].JPG (101KB - 0 downloads) | ||
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AlanMcR Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, CA, Los Altos Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL Posts: 3500 | RE: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP The new sensor looks exactly like what came on the OM606. My guess would be that the same sensor used on most MB engines of that era. How about measuring the room temperature resistance of your existing sensor. I can measure the same for mine. If they are the same then you could replace the sensor or use the old one with a connector swap. If they differ, you are stuck switching connectors. I can see why they dropped the old style. There is no reason to use a coax connector and cable for this purpose. It costs more and provides no benefit. | ||
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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | RE: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP AlanMcR - 6/8/2014 10:07 PM The new sensor looks exactly like what came on the OM606. My guess would be that the same sensor used on most MB engines of that era. How about measuring the room temperature resistance of your existing sensor. I can measure the same for mine. If they are the same then you could replace the sensor or use the old one with a connector swap. If they differ, you are stuck switching connectors. I can see why they dropped the old style. There is no reason to use a coax connector and cable for this purpose. It costs more and provides no benefit. Thanks Alan. I will check out. I looked at the EPC for the harness that applies to the later G320 after VIN 999XX and they show the new connector on the diagram and it is labeled as such being the IAT...still has the coax type for the CPS and other connectors though. I just thought it was weird for the new harness to have all the coax type connectors to match the old one except for this one connection. | ||
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DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | RE: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP Brent did this a while back. Maybe he can help. | ||
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Inkblotz Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Georgia Vehicle(s): 90 300GD "Thundering Turtle II", w/ 603A turbo Posts: 3186 | Re: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP Mike it looks like the new style connector to me. They do not appear to be expensive. Her is one on EBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/0005422818-Mercedes-Air-Temperature-Sensor-... | ||
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Roly Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Australia Vehicle(s): 1999 G500 Posts: 661 | RE: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP I've attached the test procedures for the M104 and the OM606 IAT sensors. You will see that the resistences are the same, therefore, they are interchangeable provided the physical dims are the same. Also attached is the M104 component location to assist with the unknown connector. It's interesting to see how these vatious components have developed, by the time the M113 was made, the IAT sensor was part of the MAF sensor Attachments ---------------- M104 IAT sensor resistence.pdf (28KB - 5 downloads) OM606 IAT resistence.pdf (28KB - 7 downloads) M104 component loc'n..pdf (283KB - 13 downloads) | ||
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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | RE: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP Roly - 6/9/2014 12:36 PM I've attached the test procedures for the M104 and the OM606 IAT sensors. You will see that the resistences are the same, therefore, they are interchangeable provided the physical dims are the same. Also attached is the M104 component location to assist with the unknown connector. It's interesting to see how these vatious components have developed, by the time the M113 was made, the IAT sensor was part of the MAF sensor Perfect. Thanks Roly. Great to know about the IAT being same. I just hope the connection is wired for that purpose and that the labeling on the EPC diagram is a mistake for that connection #17 which should go to CPS. I should have known it was the crankshaft position center under the oil filter. Mike | ||
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AlanMcR Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, CA, Los Altos Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL Posts: 3500 | RE: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP Roly - 6/9/2014 12:36 PM ...It's interesting to see how these various components have developed, by the time the M113 was made, the IAT sensor was part of the MAF sensor The MAF is at the intake, but the IAT has to be measured post intercooler. So they have to have two sensors. | ||
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DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | RE: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP AlanMcR - 6/9/2014 3:47 PM The MAF is at the intake, but the IAT has to be measured post intercooler. So they have to have two sensors. Intercooler on a gasser? | ||
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AlanMcR Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, CA, Los Altos Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL Posts: 3500 | RE: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP DUTCH - 6/9/2014 2:24 PM AlanMcR - 6/9/2014 3:47 PM Intercooler on a gasser?The MAF is at the intake, but the IAT has to be measured post intercooler. So they have to have two sensors. Temperature is tested just before the intake runners. Happy? | ||
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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | RE: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP Harness replacement complete. I have attached a photo of how the wiring looked on the old biodegradable harness which was prevalent throughout all areas. I also attached photo showing the previously unidentified connections with there true identity. Engine starts and everything appears to be happy, I will feel a lot better in my travels knowing that crappy wiring is history. Not really a fun job as on this model year the harness had to go through firewall to its connection behind fuse panel above passenger feets. Mike
(nice wire [1024x768].jpg) (m104harness [1024x768].JPG) Attachments ---------------- nice wire [1024x768].jpg (34KB - 0 downloads) m104harness [1024x768].JPG (91KB - 0 downloads) | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3004 | Re: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP Nice work. That wiring is scary... | ||
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kiato4 Veteran Date registered: Aug 2013 Location: New York, NY Vehicle(s): 1995 G320, 1985 190E 2.3-16 Posts: 161 | Re: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP When I replaced my 1995 G320 wiring harness, I had to use air temp sensor 006 153 20 28 which looks like it will fit your new connector on the left of the picture in the first post. | ||
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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | Re: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP kiato4 - 6/18/2014 6:26 PM When I replaced my 1995 G320 wiring harness, I had to use air temp sensor 006 153 20 28 which looks like it will fit your new connector on the left of the picture in the first post. Looks like both should work along with A6511530028 (sender unit.JPG) (sender unit2.JPG) Attachments ---------------- sender unit.JPG (24KB - 0 downloads) sender unit2.JPG (27KB - 0 downloads) | ||
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gerryvz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2014 Location: Annapolis, MD Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124) Posts: 336 | Re: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP DesertStar, Have you considered replacing the other wiring-related bugaboos on your motor? Known-faulty wiring harnesses on the M104 in addition to the upper wiring harness that you replaced, include the ETA and the lower wiring harness (alternator/starter/battery + terminal). The lower harness generally lasts longer due to the fact that it doesn't get messed with as much by mechanics as the upper harness, and it is a fair bit cheaper than the upper harness too. The ETA, as you know, rots from the inside out and is not cheap. Cheers, Gerry | ||
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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | Re: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP gerryvz - 7/5/2014 5:08 PM DesertStar, Have you considered replacing the other wiring-related bugaboos on your motor? Known-faulty wiring harnesses on the M104 in addition to the upper wiring harness that you replaced, include the ETA and the lower wiring harness (alternator/starter/battery + terminal). The lower harness generally lasts longer due to the fact that it doesn't get messed with as much by mechanics as the upper harness, and it is a fair bit cheaper than the upper harness too. The ETA, as you know, rots from the inside out and is not cheap. Cheers, Gerry Well, they are on my "watch list" as I am catching up on the maintenance items. I have not looked at either up close and have not experienced any symptoms or gremlins pointing me that way as of yet. Thanks for the "head-up" though. Mike | ||
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gerryvz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2014 Location: Annapolis, MD Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124) Posts: 336 | Re: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP The ETA is the critical one. Same wiring situation although since it doesn't often get disturbed the internal ETA wiring generally lasts longer than the upper harness that you replaced. That said, the long thick cable from the ETA to the plug can get disturbed as it's external and subject to heat. You can see my M104 rebuild thread on my 500Eboard.com forum for close-up shots of the wiring inside the ETA and inside the long thick cable, to see what happens. I haven't done research as to whether the .996 ETA is the same as other models like the .992. There are companies like Beckmann that rewire ETAs but they are also not cheap ... I think Beckmann wanted $800 to redo my .992 ETA, so I ended up getting a near-new ETA of recent production (i.e. no bad wiring) with 500 confirmed miles on it via eBay. The good thing about the wiring issues is that they are a once-per-ownership problem. I'm getting ready to proactively replace my own upper harness..... | ||
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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | Re: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP gerryvz - 7/7/2014 4:46 AM The ETA is the critical one. Same wiring situation although since it doesn't often get disturbed the internal ETA wiring generally lasts longer than the upper harness that you replaced. That said, the long thick cable from the ETA to the plug can get disturbed as it's external and subject to heat. You can see my M104 rebuild thread on my 500Eboard.com forum for close-up shots of the wiring inside the ETA and inside the long thick cable, to see what happens. I haven't done research as to whether the .996 ETA is the same as other models like the .992. There are companies like Beckmann that rewire ETAs but they are also not cheap ... I think Beckmann wanted $800 to redo my .992 ETA, so I ended up getting a near-new ETA of recent production (i.e. no bad wiring) with 500 confirmed miles on it via eBay. The good thing about the wiring issues is that they are a once-per-ownership problem. I'm getting ready to proactively replace my own upper harness..... The ETA, part# A000 141 57 25, is shared with the M104 powered W124 chassis cars without ASR. I took a glance at the green label on the ETA on my G320 which shows the build date of the ETA to be June 1996....funny, as my G was built in October 1994. I hope they/someone did not replace a crappy ETA with a less crappy ETA. I thought the good ETAs and/or rebuilds started at 1998...I have also read where some believe 1996. I guess only way to find out is close inspection of the wires themselves in the loom or opening up the side of the ETA and see what it looks like inside. I will keep my eyes open for a more recent build unit for a backup...that is, casually look. Mike | ||
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gerryvz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2014 Location: Annapolis, MD Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124) Posts: 336 | Re: 1995 G320 Wiring harness air intake temperature sensor...HELP A 1996 ETA is going to be in the danger zone of the bad wiring era -- it may or may not be bad wiring. Generally anything done after 1998 or 1999 will be definitely safe. Hopefully yours is OK, but the date puts it in the suspect zone. The good thing is that non-ASR ETAs for the M104 are very common in wrecking yards, and often have been replaced over the years, so it is probably not difficult to find a used one (or one via eBay) that was made in 1999 or later.
Here are a couple of sets of photos from my M104 top-end rebuild of what bad/biodegradeable wiring looks like INSIDE of an ETA: http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?5082-HOW-TO-M104-W124-Top-End-Rebuild&p=57830&viewfull=1#post57830
And bad wiring inside the ETA's cable (I slit it open with a razor blade): http://www.500eboard.com/forums/showthread.php?5082-HOW-TO-M104-W124-Top-End-Rebuild&p=58868&viewfull=1#post58868 Edited by gerryvz 7/9/2014 7:09 AM | ||
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