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| MudMonkey Veteran Date registered: Jun 2013 Location: CO Vehicle(s): '03 G500 Posts: 274  | ||
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| DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963  | ||
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| oskar Elite Veteran Date registered: Sep 2006 Location: Lyons, CO Vehicle(s): 1981 280GE, 2002 G500, 280SE 4.5, Audi A4 1.8T Posts: 708  | ||
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| 4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500 | ||
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| MudMonkey Veteran Date registered: Jun 2013 Location: CO Vehicle(s): '03 G500 Posts: 274 | ||
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| oskar Elite Veteran Date registered: Sep 2006 Location: Lyons, CO Vehicle(s): 1981 280GE, 2002 G500, 280SE 4.5, Audi A4 1.8T Posts: 708 | ||
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| Balto Extreme Veteran Date registered: Mar 2012 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 Posts: 368  | ||
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| Brent Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SW Colorado USA Vehicle(s): '13 Wolfsburg GTI Posts: 1754  | ||
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| oskar Elite Veteran Date registered: Sep 2006 Location: Lyons, CO Vehicle(s): 1981 280GE, 2002 G500, 280SE 4.5, Audi A4 1.8T Posts: 708 | ||
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| oskar Elite Veteran Date registered: Sep 2006 Location: Lyons, CO Vehicle(s): 1981 280GE, 2002 G500, 280SE 4.5, Audi A4 1.8T Posts: 708 | RE: G's and High Altitude Brent - 7/22/2014 5:25 AM Forced induction rules up here. Nods. I remember my wife asking why the 280GE does poor in altitude and the A4 1.8T performs well. When I started talking about the difference of naturally aspirated vs turbo charged ... She asked "why don't you put such a thing in your Gwagen". Hmm, that started a PROJECT  Oskar | |
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| Balto Extreme Veteran Date registered: Mar 2012 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 Posts: 368 | RE: G's and High Altitude Ah....So you put a turbo on your 280GE? How's the gain? oskar - 7/22/2014 8:18 AM Brent - 7/22/2014 5:25 AM Forced induction rules up here. Nods. I remember my wife asking why the 280GE does poor in altitude and the A4 1.8T performs well. When I started talking about the difference of naturally aspirated vs turbo charged ... She asked "why don't you put such a thing in your Gwagen". Hmm, that started a PROJECT Oskar | |
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| oskar Elite Veteran Date registered: Sep 2006 Location: Lyons, CO Vehicle(s): 1981 280GE, 2002 G500, 280SE 4.5, Audi A4 1.8T Posts: 708 | RE: G's and High Altitude Actually not a turbo but a supercharger. I am pleased with the gain, my goal was to just compensate for altitude, not to gain additional horses. And I don't have a dyno to test the output However a friend who is a engine specialist for MB says it should not be a problem to get the M110 up to 200 hp, the M110 should easily stand that The whole shebang looks like: Edited by oskar 7/22/2014 12:52 PM (IMG_0246.JPG) Attachments ----------------  IMG_0246.JPG (586KB - 0 downloads) | |
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| DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | ||
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| michel bertin Veteran Date registered: Jun 2006 Location: SFO Bay Area, CA Vehicle(s): '02 G500, '14 G550 Posts: 124 | ||
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| Balto Extreme Veteran Date registered: Mar 2012 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Vehicle(s): 2002 G500 Posts: 368 | RE: G's and High Altitude This picture would make a great Christmas card haha oskar - 7/22/2014 11:48 AM Actually not a turbo but a supercharger. I am pleased with the gain, my goal was to just compensate for altitude, not to gain additional horses. And I don't have a dyno to test the output However a friend who is a engine specialist for MB says it should not be a problem to get the M110 up to 200 hp, the M110 should easily stand that The whole shebang looks like:  | |
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hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A | RE: G's and High Altitude What a hoot. Your dad should base his decision on driving trucks, not on forum posts from people who go on vacation once a year or have a need to trailer 5,000 lbs at a time with them. I live at 9k ft. 460 G wagens have been my daily drivers for 14 years in those conditions including a commute that's 40 miles and 4k ft each way 5 days a week. The M110 in the LWB 280GE was a great and willing participant for 7 years. I ran predominantly 235/85-16 tires, 4 sod manual trans, and 4.88 diffs. The truck was always a joy to drive on my commute as well as on trips all around the western back country from here to eastern California with the bone stock, well maintained driveline. The fuel economy was not great at 12 mpg and on the heavier grades (7%+) the LWB 280GE was usually in 3rd gear spinning high revs. When that motor started to get a little tired around 330,000 miles I switched to OM617A with a 5 speed. The performance is the same as with the M110, but it gets 20-21 mpg all the time, goes 500 miles on the factory tanks, and goes up the big hills with less "sound and fury". I have a little over 100,000 miles on the diesel conversion and it still puts a smile on my face. About 18 months ago a SWB 230GE found me. That one is fine too in the same use. Back to the high-rev life, but it keeps up with traffic and is a lot of fun to drive. I have another 617A ready to go into it, but it hasn't made sense to make the effort because the "baby G" gets 17 mpg all the time. So I just drive it. At the end of the day, the decision depends much more on what your dad wants than on what anyone here thinks. I just thought all the talk should be balanced by someone being there doing that with 460s for the long haul. No disrespect to Harald, Dutch, or Oskar. I know and love them all. Just didn't want your dad to miss something he might like. If he needs a test drive have him give a call or make his way over to Bailey one of these days. Hell, he can take either of mine for a couple weeks at a time if he wants. All the best, -Dave G | |
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| chris505 Date registered: May 2007 Location: San Francisco Vehicle(s): '79 280E/'80 280GE/'00 G500 | ||
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| oskar Elite Veteran Date registered: Sep 2006 Location: Lyons, CO Vehicle(s): 1981 280GE, 2002 G500, 280SE 4.5, Audi A4 1.8T Posts: 708 | ||
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| hipine Date registered: Jul 2006 Location: US, CO, Bailey Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A | RE: G's and High Altitude I've used a 617.950 and a 617.951. My brain knows which specs and parts are different, but my butt can't really tell the difference. -Dave G. | |
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| MudMonkey Veteran Date registered: Jun 2013 Location: CO Vehicle(s): '03 G500 Posts: 274 | RE: G's and High Altitude hipine - 7/25/2014 10:51 AM What a hoot. Your dad should base his decision on driving trucks, not on forum posts from people who go on vacation once a year or have a need to trailer 5,000 lbs at a time with them. I live at 9k ft. 460 G wagens have been my daily drivers for 14 years in those conditions including a commute that's 40 miles and 4k ft each way 5 days a week. The M110 in the LWB 280GE was a great and willing participant for 7 years. I ran predominantly 235/85-16 tires, 4 sod manual trans, and 4.88 diffs. The truck was always a joy to drive on my commute as well as on trips all around the western back country from here to eastern California with the bone stock, well maintained driveline. The fuel economy was not great at 12 mpg and on the heavier grades (7%+) the LWB 280GE was usually in 3rd gear spinning high revs. When that motor started to get a little tired around 330,000 miles I switched to OM617A with a 5 speed. The performance is the same as with the M110, but it gets 20-21 mpg all the time, goes 500 miles on the factory tanks, and goes up the big hills with less "sound and fury". I have a little over 100,000 miles on the diesel conversion and it still puts a smile on my face. About 18 months ago a SWB 230GE found me. That one is fine too in the same use. Back to the high-rev life, but it keeps up with traffic and is a lot of fun to drive. I have another 617A ready to go into it, but it hasn't made sense to make the effort because the "baby G" gets 17 mpg all the time. So I just drive it. At the end of the day, the decision depends much more on what your dad wants than on what anyone here thinks. I just thought all the talk should be balanced by someone being there doing that with 460s for the long haul. No disrespect to Harald, Dutch, or Oskar. I know and love them all. Just didn't want your dad to miss something he might like. If he needs a test drive have him give a call or make his way over to Bailey one of these days. Hell, he can take either of mine for a couple weeks at a time if he wants. All the best, -Dave G Wow, Dave - that's really great. Thank you. Exceptionally generous of you. To be 100% honest, I can't see my dad taking your G for any appreciable amount of time - I could possibly see him going for a 10min test drive with you, if only to ride shotgun, purely because he wouldn't want to dare to drive another person's G for fear of damaging it or even operating it in a way that you wouldn't like. He's just like that. I do appreciate the comments - maybe because they were the new/current G when he was younger, he loves W460's and I could see him going for one because it's old school just like he is - no fancy electronics, built in a manner that he understands with components that he is already familiar with, classic old school Mercedes engineering. I bet he'd go for a 280GE over all the others, or perhaps a 300GD. I appreciate all the help, thanks guys! | |
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