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Otiswesty
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Date registered: Jun 2007
Location: Portland, Oregon
Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213
Posts: 3006
| Re: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
^^^Agree |
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Brent
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: SW Colorado USA
Vehicle(s): '13 Wolfsburg GTI
Posts: 1754
| RE: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
Thank goodness the left coast has chimed in.... |
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Otiswesty
Administrator
Date registered: Jun 2007
Location: Portland, Oregon
Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213
Posts: 3006
| Re: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
Next thing you know, we'll be annexing the Sudetenland. |
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Brent
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: SW Colorado USA
Vehicle(s): '13 Wolfsburg GTI
Posts: 1754
| Re: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
otiswesty - 8/5/2014 9:33 PM
Next thing you know, we'll be annexing the Sudetenland.
Different goal this time... same tactics, glad you recognized them  |
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hipine
Date registered: Jul 2006
Location: US, CO, Bailey
Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A
| RE: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
Brent - 8/5/2014 5:11 PM
Thank goodness the left coast has chimed in....
Okay, that's way over the line, Brent.
I second Alan's opinion. Much of this is why I suggested the subject be locked here when I brought it up. I felt it appropriate to share the info, but unfortunately knew where the discussion would go. Please take the rhetoric back to the forums designed for people who are interested in such things. We need to keep focussed on Gwagen content here.
And as for the kind of petty reply above, by someone who at one time at least was considered a moderator of this forum, well there's just plain no excuse for it and I won't be associated with any forum that condones it, much less practices it.
-Dave G. |
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Brent
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: SW Colorado USA
Vehicle(s): '13 Wolfsburg GTI
Posts: 1754
| RE: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
hipine - 8/6/2014 7:11 AM
Brent - 8/5/2014 5:11 PM
Thank goodness the left coast has chimed in....
Okay, that's way over the line, Brent.
I second Alan's opinion. Much of this is why I suggested the subject be locked here when I brought it up. I felt it appropriate to share the info, but unfortunately knew where the discussion would go. Please take the rhetoric back to the forums designed for people who are interested in such things. We need to keep focussed on Gwagen content here.
And as for the kind of petty reply above, by someone who at one time at least was considered a moderator of this forum, well there's just plain no excuse for it and I won't be associated with any forum that condones it, much less practices it.
-Dave G.
It is OK for Alan to refer to the discussion as hyperbole though I guess.... There are an awful lot of people (clearly), that find this sort of action to be a huge red warning flag waving in the wind over this country.
It offends you though when I speak the truth about a geographical area of the country? It is a simple fact that the west and east coast regions of this country vote on the liberal side. Not a dig Dave, just a fact, the voting maps are easy to find if you dispute my point.
Way over the line? Seriously? What was way over the line Dave was this police action. Discussing it, especially amongst those who would prefer to ignore the ramifications, it EXACTLY what needs to be done. It pleases me to see some offended, those offended are the ones who need this pushed in their face the most because they have participated in getting us to this point.
I am angry too Dave, angry and disappointed, just for a different set of reasons.
It is also pretty obvious that people do want to discuss this or the thread wouldn't have reached 2 pages so quickly, so I guess you will have to do what you feel you have to do. It would be a shame if you chose not to participate here anymore. I don't participate in the other G forum because I just can't stomach the feel or the obvious, underlying politics. Good thing we have choices then, at least until our govt takes them away like so many other lost freedoms.
It is frightening to me to see such a push to avoid discussion of this since it seems extremely relevant to grey market G owners, guys like you and Alan for instance... |
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Warren T
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: May 2006
Location: Montreal
Vehicle(s): 230GE,300GD,300D
Posts: 519
| Re: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
not sure the original subject has anything to do with left-right politics. The liberal side
didn't invent the Department of homeland security nor the conditions that made it necessary.
The biggest danger to democracy is when politicians manipulate the ignorant masses for
special interest groups (MONEY).
Best defence is EDUCATION. Brain power will dominate fire power every time.
Don't fear the power of the state, just make sure the right people control it.
Warren |
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MudMonkey
Veteran
Date registered: Jun 2013
Location: CO
Vehicle(s): '03 G500
Posts: 274
| RE: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
Brent - 8/5/2014 7:11 PM
Thank goodness the left coast has chimed in....
Agreed.
I've got my popcorn and Coke ready, I'm very interested to hear what liberals have to say about the issue. Always entertaining.
PREDICTION - "More government! Let's make it illegal to do illegal things! And we need another police force made up of morbidly-obese armed thugs to oversee the paperwork and raid our homes at their discretion. For their public service, we will pay them a better salary and give them a better retirement than 80% of Americans will ever see."
Edited by MudMonkey 8/7/2014 11:34 AM
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jack7preston
Date registered: Nov 2012
Location: NYC/Southampton
Vehicle(s): 87 LWB 2 door with rear barn door Kastenwagen, G55
| RE: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
Edited by jack7preston 8/7/2014 11:55 AM
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MudMonkey
Veteran
Date registered: Jun 2013
Location: CO
Vehicle(s): '03 G500
Posts: 274
| RE: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
hipine - 8/6/2014 9:11 AM
Brent - 8/5/2014 5:11 PM
Thank goodness the left coast has chimed in....
Okay, that's way over the line, Brent.
I second Alan's opinion. Much of this is why I suggested the subject be locked here when I brought it up. I felt it appropriate to share the info, but unfortunately knew where the discussion would go. Please take the rhetoric back to the forums designed for people who are interested in such things. We need to keep focussed on Gwagen content here.
And as for the kind of petty reply above, by someone who at one time at least was considered a moderator of this forum, well there's just plain no excuse for it and I won't be associated with any forum that condones it, much less practices it.
-Dave G.
What is it that you don't want to be associated with? Disagreement over controversial topics? Open discussion regarding our government's activities?
Move it to Off Topic, sure. But lock it, so that people can't discuss it, and effectively censure our voices? I forget... are we in China?
What has happened to us? Have we become so weak-minded that we can't handle any sort of opposition, if it's just the written word?
Guess what, Alan and Dave... if you don't like reading it, you don't have to click on it. You have that freedom. |
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Brent
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: SW Colorado USA
Vehicle(s): '13 Wolfsburg GTI
Posts: 1754
| Re: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
Warren T - 8/7/2014 7:28 AM
not sure the original subject has anything to do with left-right politics. The liberal side
didn't invent the Department of homeland security nor the conditions that made it necessary.
The biggest danger to democracy is when politicians manipulate the ignorant masses for
special interest groups (MONEY).
Best defence is EDUCATION. Brain power will dominate fire power every time.
Don't fear the power of the state, just make sure the right people control it.
Warren
Well Warren, it is my opinion that the wrong people control it. When the wrong people run the state it is definately something to fear. It is a problem that has ocurred repeatedly throughout history. The examples are there for all who choose the educate themselves. I disagree that education alone will make any difference. Our educational system is badly tainted and badly skewed at this time, the educational system touted and controlled by the left. In addition the media in this country is heavily biased to the left making mass education about the facts extremely difficult. This means we have about half of the country extremely upset over the course we are on and, that half is not being heard. If you think it will not come to firepower, like it ALWAYS does, you may need to further educate yourself on the subject.
What you are witnessing is the govt testing the people. They operate around the fringes, targeting small groups first. Soon this all seems normal and the state increases its encroachment on our freedoms until there are none left.
Can you explain to me why the state may have felt the need to resort to these tactics over hobby vehicles? If they just wanted to send a message why didn't they simply start with the US mail service? Unfortunately, I think it is more sinister than many would like to admit. |
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koly
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Jul 2006
Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA
Vehicle(s): 2000 G500
Posts: 823
| RE: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
Not sure how much it will help, but there's an online petition set up on whitehouse.gov to get the rule repealed/relaxed:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repeal-dotepa-“25-year-rul...
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gerryvz
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2014
Location: Annapolis, MD
Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124)
Posts: 336
| Re: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
That "petition" process for the White House is a PR stunt that has never been and will never be taken seriously. It's a "check off" item so that Obama and his crew can say that they "listen" to the American people. What a joke.
If you want to get the rule changed, petition your US Senator and US Representatives from your state.
Brent is 100% correct ... this is just a test by the government to gauge civil resistance. Just like the "test" with the rancher in Nevada, to which people stood up to and made the government back down.
I do not know if it will be in my lifetime (I figure I've got about 30 good years left on this planet) but there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that at some point, there will be an armed uprising among citizens of this country against the government and its over-reach and heavy-handedness on the citizenry.
What do you think the American Revolution (and the Continental Congresses, Declaration of Independence, and so forth leading up to it) was?
This is all one major reason why, six years ago, I moved from "the left coast" to Texas. Of just about any place in the US, Texas is probably the most resistant to the Federal Government and its excesses. Texans won't put up with the shenanigans of the federal government, as evidenced by our Governor's recent calling out of the Texas National Guard, Texas Department of Public Safety, Texas Rangers, and various Texas law enforcement bodies to head south to the border to help augment the almost laughable efforts by the DHS to secure our southern border.
Yet the DHS is going after a couple dozen gray-market Range Rovers, that have been in the country for many years?
I agree 100% that the law should be enforced, but don't you all think that threats to our national sovereignty and potentially national security should be prioritized by the DHS over strong-arming a few harmless US citizens and confiscating (with dubious proof, in some cases) their hard-earned property?
A lot of people seem to agree with me; Texas is gaining more than 1,000 new residents (illegals streaming over the border not counted in this number) each and every day. If Texas were to secede, I would support it and millions of other Texans would, as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC16-4fh-Qc
Cheers,
Gerry |
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Boy G
Expert
Date registered: Feb 2007
Location: Bushveld, South Africa
Vehicle(s): Diesel G's: 617A and 602
Posts: 1683
| Re: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
gerryvz - 8/7/2014 8:53 P
Texas is probably the most resistant to the Federal Government and its excesses.
The George's Bush were not Texan? |
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gerryvz
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2014
Location: Annapolis, MD
Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124)
Posts: 336
| RE: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
What does it matter where a past President lived and made their career, when you're talking about current excesses being practiced by the executive branch of our Federal government overseen by a President who has been in office for the past 5.5 years?
It's funny how the Bush name even now gets seen as the root of all evils and what is perceived to be wrong with the US; it's as if the current occupant of the White House never even lived there.
But for the record.....
George Herbert Walker Bush (the father) is not a Texan, though he made some of his [pre-government] career here in the oil business. He is actually a native of Massachusetts and Connecticut. He was educated in Connecticut, Massachusetts and at Yale University in Connecticut. He currently lives here in Houston, TX. George Walker Bush (the son) could be considered a Texan, though he was born in New Haven, Connecticut. He grew up in Midland and here in Houston, TX, and went to Yale University in Connecticut before having most of his career here in Texas until he became President. He currently spreads his time between Dallas and Midland, TX.
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JamesG
Regular
Date registered: May 2006
Location: Conifer, Colorado
Vehicle(s): 2011 G550, 2000 L.C.,1997 L.C.1987 FJ60
Posts: 98
| Re: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
I agree, some of the tactics of the DHS seem a bit heavy handed, although in saying that, the US has a right to bear arms (you lucky sods!) so I suppose that they (the police) don't know what they're going to encounter when the door opens.
Funny you should say "lucky sods." I kinda feel that way about countries that have choices, i.e. Defenders, landcruiser 70 series trucks, and Nissan Patrols etc. I wish we had those choices in the colonies.
As far as "left coast" for me that describes their majority politics and a predominately left leaning ideology; I stay away from it but I'm not upset about. |
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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
Posts: 9963
| To Lighten the Tone a Bit
Don't feed the bears! Taken in a Denali National Park yesterday.
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greynolds
Member
Date registered: Jul 2013
Location: Billerica, MA USA
Vehicle(s): 2017 G63 (Obsidian Black / Titanium Grey Pearl)
Posts: 39
| RE: To Lighten the Tone a Bit
Nice shots. I hope to get to Alaska some day. The cubs are adorable. |
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thairish
Date registered: Jun 2006
Location: hk/th
Vehicle(s): 461: 230ge/swb & g300cdi/lwb
| Re: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21599349-americas-polic...
No one wants to eliminate SWAT teams. Imminent threats to human life require a swift, forceful response. That, say critics, is what SWAT teams should be used for: not for serving warrants on people suspected of nonviolent crimes, breaking up poker games or seeing that the Pumpkin Festival doesn’t get out of hand. |
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MudMonkey
Veteran
Date registered: Jun 2013
Location: CO
Vehicle(s): '03 G500
Posts: 274
| Re: DHS and Vehicle Seizures
Good read, thairish. |
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