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AlanMcR Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, CA, Los Altos Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL Posts: 3500 | Early W463 sound proofing Whilst digging around under the dash I found that the original sound proofing wasn't doing its job anymore. The factory sound proofing was a mix of heavy molded rubber parts and felt/tar panels that were glued to the fire wall, tunnel, door skins, etc. The glue hasn't stood the test of time, at least not on my 96. Some had completely fallen off, others had peeled back to the point of uselessness. Time for repair. After some web research it seems like the most cost effective soundproofing is this roof tape. Easily found at Home Depot (and may other places, I'm sure).
This stuff is a tape form of the rubberized asphalt mats (think Dynamat) that are so popular in the car-audio world. It is a bit thinner which makes it easier to apply and wrap around bumps, and you can layer it as much as you want. It is insanely sticky, though you will need to remove any dust and loose debris before applying. After ripping out the last bits of the old stuff, I applied 3-5 layers of the of the tape, making sure to bond firmly with the sheet metal. Some of the peeling felt panels were too hard to get at. Cutting off the peeled part and then bonding the rest down with more tape seemed like it would work for the long term. End result: noticeably quieter drive. Motor noises are softer and more of a hum. Of course, that just makes the wind noise around the A-pillar that much more annoying. I also applied some inside the door panels. For the door right above the exhaust outlet, I taped over the drain slots and then poked some smaller holes. Probably not a good idea in rust country, but fine for sunny California. | ||
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jack7preston Date registered: Nov 2012 Location: NYC/Southampton Vehicle(s): 87 LWB 2 door with rear barn door Kastenwagen, G55 | RE: Early W463 sound proofing thanks for the great tip! ill be trying this on my truck as well as it is BADLY needed | ||
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AlanMcR Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, CA, Los Altos Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL Posts: 3500 | RE: Early W463 sound proofing Should have attached this. It is for my particular VIN, but it is probably very similar to any W463 with an underhood electronics box and the battery in back. | ||
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mercedes_uae Veteran Date registered: Dec 2008 Location: Dubai Vehicle(s): 2003 G55 SWB (sold), 2011 G55 LWB, 2013 G63 LWB Posts: 130 | Re: Early W463 sound proofing The a pillar is a problem on even newer g classes after a few years, but can be remedied by ensuring the seals are properly in place and glue still holds. | ||
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AlanMcR Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, CA, Los Altos Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL Posts: 3500 | RE: Early W463 sound proofing What seals do you speak of? The pre-2001 Gs have a simple rain gutter running up the A-pillar. It generates a lot of wind noise, some of which makes it into the interior. I was under the impression that the big A-pillar improvement was the exterior plastic cover over the rain gutter. Is there something else too? | ||
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mercedes_uae Veteran Date registered: Dec 2008 Location: Dubai Vehicle(s): 2003 G55 SWB (sold), 2011 G55 LWB, 2013 G63 LWB Posts: 130 | Re: Early W463 sound proofing The interior on post-2001 G's have a rubber seal which comes lose in time. | ||
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AlanMcR Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, CA, Los Altos Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL Posts: 3500 | Re: Early W463 sound proofing mercedes_uae - 8/9/2014 2:29 PM The interior on post-2001 G's have a rubber seal which comes lose in time. That is probably the rubber seal around the steering linkage. That same part on the E-class failed. It took a while to figure out why the car would get rhythmically louder/quieter as one made a turn. Not a lot of fun to fix on the E-class. | ||
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94rover Veteran Date registered: Oct 2010 Location: 39.2036° N, 76.8569° W Vehicle(s): 02 G500 Posts: 240 | Re: Early W463 sound proofing AlanMcR - 8/9/2014 9:50 PM mercedes_uae - 8/9/2014 2:29 PM The interior on post-2001 G's have a rubber seal which comes lose in time. That is probably the rubber seal around the steering linkage. That same part on the E-class failed. It took a while to figure out why the car would get rhythmically louder/quieter as one made a turn. Not a lot of fun to fix on the E-class. has failed on my 2002 too. I haven't set aside time or resources (cash) to have it repaired. I don't believe that I notice loudness during turns however in my mind I blame the sometime warmer cabin temp during normal outside temps on this failure | ||
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wolfgang36 Member Date registered: May 2009 Location: Memphis, TN, USA Vehicle(s): 1999 G500, 2009 e350 Posts: 44 | Re: Early W463 sound proofing I too am having hot air enter the passenger compartment from under the steering wheel. Do you have a photo of the missing rubber part/seal on the shaft? | ||
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AlanMcR Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, CA, Los Altos Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL Posts: 3500 | Re: Early W463 sound proofing wolfgang36 - 8/11/2014 12:29 PM I too am having hot air enter the passenger compartment from under the steering wheel. Do you have a photo of the missing rubber part/seal on the shaft? If you are talking about your G, that steering shaft seal would be for the 2001+. On the pre-2001, I'd check the big cable duct to the outside of the brake booster. If it has cracked, or opened up, it could leak a lot of air. It would be nearly impossible to replace, but a closed cell foam plug would work just as well if not better. | ||
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wolfgang36 Member Date registered: May 2009 Location: Memphis, TN, USA Vehicle(s): 1999 G500, 2009 e350 Posts: 44 | Re: Early W463 sound proofing Thanks for the clarification Alan. I'll check it out. John | ||
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G-AMG G-Class DIY Host Date registered: May 2006 Location: South Texas Vehicle(s): '04 G55, '80 280GE, '99 S420, '98 E320, 2011 E350 | Re: Early W463 sound proofing wolfgang36 - 8/11/2014 3:29 PM I too am having hot air enter the passenger compartment from under the steering wheel. Do you have a photo of the missing rubber part/seal on the shaft? I had the same problem on the old Klunkerwagen. I really like this stuff: http://3mcollision.com/3m-strip-calk-08578-black.html The material does not harden, and can be "shaped" into any configuration you would like (Like a Modeling Clay consistency). It stays put, and does not seem to be affected in the slightest by a Hot engine compartment. | ||
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94rover Veteran Date registered: Oct 2010 Location: 39.2036° N, 76.8569° W Vehicle(s): 02 G500 Posts: 240 | Re: Early W463 sound proofing Whoa! thanks G-AMG. Pretty sure I will be purchasing this, now. Any pics you can provide on the application to your "old Klunkerwagen"? | ||
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AGuess Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Holly Springs NC Vehicle(s): 93 500GE, 93 500GE, 2002 G500 Posts: 717 | Alan - Quesion: Early W463 sound proofing Alan, Thanks for the post. Have you noticed any odor if the material get's hot? I have a lot of air noise in my 93 500GE and it seems to be at the roof / headliner area above the windshield. Any thoughts on sound proofing that area when I take the headliner down to have it recovered? Thanks again, AGuess | ||
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AlanMcR Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, CA, Los Altos Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL Posts: 3500 | RE: Early W463 sound proofing As far as I can tell there are two sources of roof noise: 1) A-pillar noise from air going around the vertical rain gutter 2) Sunroof noise caused by the seal going bad. From your description, I'd bet on #2. Try taping over the sunroof gap and see if it goes away. Mine came with that noise. I think the PO left the sunroof in the pop-up position for long periods of time. The rubber is easy to replace. It is a W140 part, where there are two types one for the glass sunroof and one for the metal sunroof. For the G, you need the metal version. EDIT: no odor that I can tell. If you smell the edges of the stuff it does stink of asphalt. The aluminum sheet effectively locks that into the material. I suppose you could always leave a roll of the stuff in your car and see what you think. Note that my G doesn't exactly have that "new car smell" to begin with. Edited by AlanMcR 8/18/2014 8:34 PM | ||
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