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Posted 2/18/2016 12:13 PM

gerryvz
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Date registered: Apr 2014
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RE: G63 AMG wreck

And more pics ....

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Posted 2/22/2016 7:57 PM

512bbi
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Date registered: Jan 2007
Location: North western US and Europe
Vehicle(s): 05G55kge,Range rover classic,clk55amg,ML 430
Posts: 1313
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RE: G63 AMG wreck

I think any AMG g wagen or even any g driven close or over 100 mph on pavement is extremely dangerous by default of suspension design

I think the G is a great do it all vehicle and all g wagens should be limited to never exceed 90 mph no matter which model they are

I have traveled Europe with fast cars and even done the same with a ml 430 at 110 safely but I would never do so with my G and stock suspension and tires,I really know why it would be a death trap to the inexperienced thinking is safe to go to the limited 130 on a amg

Mario

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Posted 2/25/2016 6:10 PM

Braingears
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: St Petersburg, FL
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RE: G63 AMG wreck

It also appears that they cut off the roof in order to get the people out.

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Posted 2/25/2016 6:51 PM

2000BEAST
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Date registered: Jul 2010
Location: NOCAL USA
Vehicle(s): 2003 G500 / 2008 Carrera S / 2019 GLC 43
Posts: 83

Re: G63 AMG wreck

I've been "100ish" in my G500 on highways a number of times her on the California highways, and felt perfectly safe.

The concern for me (besides tickets and fuel consumption) at higher speeds is the "brakes" which I have always felt are under-designed for this truck.

Obviously G's weigh a bunch, and any brake system will be challenged to drag it down from speed. I have had three different brake pad compounds (Stock, Porterfield, and Akebono) and other than "dust" I have never seen any great improvement in "panic" type stopping.

But on open stretches of I-5 I've had cruise control set @ 95 feeling very stable, and being passed by others at well over 100 on numerous occasions. That's when the highway is wide open with no concerns about needing to make a quick stop or lane change...

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Posted 2/25/2016 7:30 PM

norsecarnut
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Date registered: Apr 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
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Re: G63 AMG wreck

2000BEAST - 2/25/2016 3:51 PM
... felt perfectly safe.

Unfortunately, a feeling is not a factual experience in reality.

As seen in the photo examples, the boxy design of the upper half does not lend itself to doing well in at all in certain crash situations.

In a high speed roll over I'd rather be in modern versions of: Volvo large body (V70, XC&),XC90), Porsche Cayenne ("egg" shape does well), Audi Q7, ML, Range Rover (recent couple generations amazingly well designed for structural aspects). These designs will distribute the crash energies around and away rather than relying on brute strength until complete failure.

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Posted 2/26/2016 12:36 AM

512bbi
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RE: G63 AMG wreck

I think the G is quite good in structure protecting passengers.

I also think the shape is quite stable in high speeds even though not efficient with lots of drag

Where I think the risk is in the fact that the suspension layout with panhard rods both front and rear and trailing arms with bushings that deteriorate in very few miles creates a combo that is dangerous because of very loose steering control

I can imagine a normal young driver getting a used amg with 50 k on it and test at 130 on an open empty straight road......suddenly he hits a dip on the highway while at the same time he has to swerve or change direction ever so slightly while the suspension is extending or compressing going through the dip and he looses the road at 120 mph... He will not have a good day and I bet he wil loose the road even more so if at the same time hits his brakes hard trying to slow down fast

An amg at those speeds will change lanes or more on its own with out turning the steering at all under the scenario described above.....just by the steering changes that can be created on their own with that type of design

Another way to understand that is if you took a normal car with enough engine to go that fast and induced a quarter turn of steering lock suddenly at that kind of speed......you could get in trouble even if the car was capable of handling at those speeds and the G definitely is not

That kind of lacking steering lock control has no place with any car capable of that speed .

MB has been very brave with these Gs being driven by most on pavement only....

Mario

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Posted 2/26/2016 1:13 AM

Otiswesty
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Date registered: Jun 2007
Location: Portland, Oregon
Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213
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Re: G63 AMG wreck

We drove our rental G500 up to 235 KPH on the Autobahn in 2009. Felt stable but tons of wind noise. Wife starts crying at 200.

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Posted 2/26/2016 1:22 PM

norsecarnut
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RE: G63 AMG wreck

512bbi - 2/25/2016 9:36 PM

I think the G is quite good in structure protecting passengers.

Specifically in roll over or hitting roof structure the modern designs are far safer.

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Posted 3/30/2016 8:58 AM

gerryvz
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RE: G63 AMG wreck

Another photo ...

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Posted 3/30/2016 11:02 AM

koly
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Date registered: Jul 2006
Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA
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RE: G63 AMG wreck

Not sure this counts as 'wrecked,' but I don't see anywhere in the EPC where you get the interior accessory...

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Posted 4/4/2016 10:42 AM

gerryvz
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Re: G63 AMG wreck

G55 AMG wreck from Utah.

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#232037 - in reply to #224120

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Posted 4/5/2016 3:28 AM

jmr89

Date registered: Nov 2012
Location: France
Vehicle(s): Class G W463 320Cab V6 >>Ancien 230 GE Cab 1990
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Re: G63 AMG wreck

Too bad there are not many pieces a recover for some G

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Posted 4/18/2016 5:57 PM

gerryvz
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Date registered: Apr 2014
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RE: G63 AMG wreck

The latest ... this is a G55 AMG evidently....

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Posted 4/18/2016 10:17 PM

94rover
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Re: G63 AMG wreck

I see 2 good quilted door panels...
I'd love to have quilted door panels

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Posted 8/17/2016 1:06 AM

Otiswesty
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RE: G63 AMG wreck

http://www.notey.com/@carscoops_unofficial/external/9949428/mansory...

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Posted 8/17/2016 1:49 AM

NHDave
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Date registered: Dec 2013
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Re: G63 AMG wreck

That's sad!
Embarrassing to say the least..
I see the passenger door is either bent, or simply open and being a Hundai, not tall enough to reach the battery bay.
Any idea what caused this.

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Posted 5/15/2017 11:56 AM

gerryvz
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Date registered: Apr 2014
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Re: G63 AMG wreck

Some photos of wrecked G-wagens that I took last Friday at the van de Velde Mercedes wrecking yard in Belgium....

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Posted 5/15/2017 12:59 PM

AlanMcR
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RE: G63 AMG wreck

Well ... that was sobering.

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Posted 5/15/2017 1:14 PM

Otiswesty
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Re: G63 AMG wreck

Terrible to see these photos

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Posted 5/16/2017 8:56 AM

gerryvz
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Date registered: Apr 2014
Location: Annapolis, MD
Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124)
Posts: 336
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Re: G63 AMG wreck

Not much left to pick over on those wrecks ... I don't know why he even has them around. He did tell me that he generally does not buy G-wagens, but his total of four is up from the two very old ones that he had a couple of years ago.

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