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Posted 10/21/2014 9:16 AM
Ernest T Bass

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Wheel offset w460

Tried searching for this but didn't find the answer.
Finally got around to getting a spare tire of the right diameter - miy truck came with a 16inch spare and 4 7x15 et10mm compomotive wheels which are now unavailable.
So - got hold of a 7x15 et37 wheel - all tires are bfg 31x10.5x15 TA
Are there any major problems of using it as a spare for a few hundred miles? I guess turning especially on the front would have one side going further than the other due to the 27mm difference in offset or have I got it wrong (non engineer here!)
Is it necessary to find a 27mm spacer or just use as is?
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Posted 10/21/2014 8:25 PM
4x4abc



Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
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RE: Wheel offset w460

ET determines how far a wheel will stick out of the fender well - or how far it sits inside
for the narrow tires on steel wheels ET on the 460 is 63 mm
ET 37 was the optional 15" aluminum wheel

ET10 makes the wheels stick out quite far
and it creates a bad load on the wheel bearing
do not expect them to live long

only the tire diameter/radius determines how many times a tire rotates
ET is not involved in that
so, no negative effects when you use the ET37 as a spare
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Posted 10/23/2014 7:01 AM
Ernest T Bass

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RE: Wheel offset w460

Thanks Harald.
Unfortunately, my truck came with these wheels - for some reason, vanity I guess, they replaced the original 7x15 et37s with et10s. I reckon, now I will have to hunt down some original wheels - easier said than done!
The other problem with lower than standard et seems to be excessive vibration of the front wheels which destroys the steering damper, admittedly the larger later w463 damper fixed it BUT thats just suppressing something that should not be there and additionally you loose most of the natural steering self-centering.
Just out of interest - would wider wheels, say 8inch with standard et approximate to a 10mm et in 7inch width in terms of bearing stress?
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Posted 10/23/2014 10:32 AM
4x4abc



Date registered: Apr 2006
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RE: Wheel offset w460

I had ET5 for many years - made the car very stable
but it was eating bearings
20,000 miles when I was lucky
I had 35x12.50 tires - with proper ET they would rub on the trailing arms and on the pitman arm
a low ET (or wheel spacers) move the wheels out and away from contact

wider wheels will not reduce the load on the bearings
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Posted 10/24/2014 7:48 AM
Ernest T Bass

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RE: Wheel offset w460

Thanks again Harald

Photos of the wheels - compomotive 7x15 10et - wolfrace 7x15 37et

Edited by Ernest T Bass 10/24/2014 7:54 AM




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Posted 10/25/2014 2:23 PM
jack7preston



Date registered: Nov 2012
Location: NYC/Southampton
Vehicle(s): 87 LWB 2 door with rear barn door Kastenwagen, G55
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RE: Wheel offset w460


you could alway switch over to w463 knuckles and bearings and not have to worry about bearing ware or failure.
or if your really worried get yourself a set of Canadian military HD knuckles and bearings, thats what i did.

cheers jack
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Posted 10/25/2014 8:02 PM
4x4abc



Date registered: Apr 2006
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RE: Wheel offset w460

part numbers, Jack?
images?
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Posted 10/25/2014 8:31 PM
jack7preston



Date registered: Nov 2012
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RE: Wheel offset w460

here you go, i dont have parts numbers as i got both sets as a complete kit.




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Posted 10/25/2014 10:46 PM
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RE: Wheel offset w460

Looks like a 463 w/ lug nuts. 
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Posted 10/25/2014 11:15 PM
jack7preston



Date registered: Nov 2012
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RE: Wheel offset w460

AlanMcR - 10/25/2014 10:46 PM

Looks like a 463 w/ lug nuts. 



its the HD bearings that really make the big diff over the w463 stockers and as you know the w463 are better then the w460 stockers.


but to simplify.

stock w460 knuckles and bearings = good

stock w463 knuckles and bearings = very good and more than enough for 100% of people out there.

Canadian military (or the like) knuckles with HD bearings = great and are absolutely pointless....thats why i bought 2 sets




Edited by jack7preston 10/25/2014 11:16 PM
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Posted 10/26/2014 2:17 AM
Johnny Christensen
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RE: Wheel offset w460

jack7preston - 10/26/2014 5:15 AM


Canadian military (or the like) knuckles with HD bearings = great and are absolutely pointless....thats why i bought 2 sets


:bleh:



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Posted 10/26/2014 9:11 AM
Ernest T Bass

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Re: Wheel offset w460

Anyone know the type # for the military G - maybe the epc I have would show it?
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Posted 10/26/2014 10:04 AM
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RE: Wheel offset w460

Johnny Christensen - 10/26/2014 8:17 AM

jack7preston - 10/26/2014 5:15 AM


Canadian military (or the like) knuckles with HD bearings = great and are absolutely pointless....thats why i bought 2 sets


:bleh:



:biggrin:


Oh that sounds so familiar! As cv joints harly ever break and halfshafts never, i bought rvc axles and cv joints as they are even more strong. Did i need them? Probably not, did I want them? YES
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Posted 10/26/2014 10:58 AM
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Re: Wheel offset w460

Ernest T Bass - 10/26/2014 9:11 AM

Anyone know the type # for the military G - maybe the epc I have would show it?


This one was posted several years ago as a supposed to be Canadian Military G.

It was delivered in 2004, so it may or may not have the most recent hubs. The diagram in the EPC does not show the hub as was posted in the thread above.



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Posted 10/26/2014 12:09 PM
jack7preston



Date registered: Nov 2012
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Re: Wheel offset w460

Ernest T Bass - 10/26/2014 9:11 AM

Anyone know the type # for the military G - maybe the epc I have would show it?


to be honest Canadian Military G knuckle and bearings are very rare and hard to come by but like i said before w463 knuckle and bearings are more than you or anyone for that matter will ever need .
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Posted 10/26/2014 12:34 PM
Titus Pullo
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RE: Wheel offset w460

jack7preston - 10/25/2014 11:15 PM   Canadian military (or the like) knuckles with HD bearings = great and are absolutely pointless....thats why i bought 2 sets :bleh:
Part #'s of those bearings?
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Posted 10/26/2014 1:05 PM
jack7preston



Date registered: Nov 2012
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RE: Wheel offset w460

Titus Pullo - 10/26/2014 12:34 PM

jack7preston - 10/25/2014 11:15 PM   Canadian military (or the like) knuckles with HD bearings = great and are absolutely pointless....thats why i bought 2 sets :bleh:
Part #'s of those bearings?


jack7preston - 10/25/2014 8:31 PM

here you go, i dont have parts numbers as i got both sets as a complete kit.



G500 bearings will work as well as they are the same dimensions as the ones in the Canadian military G.
the difference is in the material quality of the bearings as you know not all bears are created equal, as well as the Canadian knuckles only needing bolts NOT studs to mount wheels.


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Posted 10/26/2014 1:13 PM
Titus Pullo
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Re: Wheel offset w460

this is what I wanted to confirm. Basically same size bearing.
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Posted 10/26/2014 1:39 PM
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jack7preston - 10/26/2014 6:09 PM

to be honest Canadian Military G knuckle and bearings are very rare and hard to come by but like i said before w463 knuckle and bearings are more than you or anyone for that matter will ever need . ;)


Do they change the track with, or did mercedes do that at the axle tubes?
Asking if it would allow to run w463 wheels on w460 / 461 axles without the use of a spacer
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Posted 10/26/2014 1:52 PM
Titus Pullo
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Re: Wheel offset w460

No, I dont think so.
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