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| H1LM002G55 Expert Date registered: Mar 2010 Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1 Posts: 1796  | ||
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| Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3004  | ||
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| H1LM002G55 Expert Date registered: Mar 2010 Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1 Posts: 1796 | Re: Need Lower Radiator Hose for 500GE Otiswesty: Very cool. 22-November Update 1) Removed leaking lower radiator hose Notes: Transmission oil cooler line appeared wet on passenger's side. Noted a small amount of transmission fluid on the lower radiator hose and that may have weakened the EPDM rubber material. Failure point was at the juncture between the main lower radiator hose body and the branched connection. - New transmission cooler lines ordered for both sides to be safe. No transmission fluid was noted on the concrete pavers or when parked on asphalt. Transmission fluid level was also correct (measured with metric ruler in mm per MB instructions). 2) G Dealer in Netherlands noted that part number: 463-501-06-82 may be a possible solution. Ordered two from Germany. Dealer received them in 3 days from Germany. The connection to the radiator was correct as was the branched connection to the heater line...However, the hose was too short to reach the thermostat housing. *Please note, the new reinforced plastic shroud that connects the large diameter radiator line to the small diameter heater line. The plastic shroud is completely sealed on the ends, too. 3) I have a friend who, at 80 years old, is sharp as ever and can fix anything. He also loves cars and builds hot rods. A self-decribed "hillbilly" from Ohio who worked for Chrysler and Ford for many years after serving just after WW2. He smiled when he heard my problem and said: "Let's go get some copper tubing". We went to a good industrial plumbing supply company and bought a 10 foot section of copper pipe that fit perfectly the internal diameter of the new hose recommended to me by the dealer in Netherlands. 4) I had some spare upper radiator hoses...I attempted to fit an upper radiator hose to the new (short) lower radiator hose to make up the length difference...But I had two major problems: A) Upper radiator hose ID was not sufficient to fit the thermostat housing...The thermostat housing connection is flared and of greater diameter than the ID of the upper radiator hose. B) The factory lower radiator hose, as it extends vertically to reach the thermostat housing, has a radius in it to cause the hose to not contact the belts and fan clutch. This curvature/radius was not able to be replicated by the straight upper radiator hose. 5) At this point, my vehicle was disabled with no hose fitted in my mechanic's shop. He is a MB master mechanic trained in Germany and works out of a single bay. As a temporary fix so I would not take up space in his bay, we removed 4 inches (thermostat connection down) of my old and broken lower radiator hose (in an area where there was no failure) and attached it to the copper pipe connection to the new (short) radiator hose that I had ordered from Germany. We grafted part of the old hose to the new short hose with a piece of copper tubing and hose clamps in between as a temporary fix. It worked perfectly. I am not pleased with the solution but I do not want to impact his business or take up space in his shop. 6) Despite paying for DHL International Express service, my factory AMG hose from Germany has not shown up yet. And the same goes for the factory AMG hose from Japan. I wonder if there are weather delays? P.S. If you absolutely positively need it there, always use FEDEX. UPS and DHL? Not so much...They are never on time. I do ship and receive a lot from all over. But I was not going to argue since both vendors were setup with DHL and they were doing me a favor. 7) It is nearly impossible to find any radiator hoses on a shelf in South Florida. The dealer does not stock them. The MB parts specialists do not have much (nor anything OEM quality)...Everything works off of a part number. If you are wheeling in remote areas...make sure you carry spare hoses. Rigging something up like in the old days is becoming harder and harder. 8) The 500GE has an aluminum coolant pipe that connects both upper radiator hoses that sit on top of the radiator. The aluminum coolant pipe has a flared bead on both ends...essentially a rolled bead formed into the aluminum that prevents the hoses from slipping off. I initially thought that creating a solution like this for my lower radiator hose was akin to "rigging it"...But if AMG was willing to do it...Maybe it is not such a bad idea. Edit: This is called a clamp bead and it is made with a tool like this: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/topages/parkerbead.php I may need to find a hose that will fit the upper thermostat housing with a curvature in it and a reduction that matches the diameter of the lower radiator hose next. I also need to talk to some of the manufacturers mentioned previously to determine the best path forward...A member with big knowledge MiN, who is quite technical, correctly pointed out that I have no idea of the date of manufacture and the amount of degradation of the original factory hoses I have coming. I am not sure if I will end up using them because of the 7 year shelf life rule that applies to MB hoses. To be continued..... Edited by H1LM002G55 11/22/2014 11:06 PM (PointofFailure.jpg) (NewReinforcedHose.jpg) Attachments ----------------  PointofFailure.jpg (413KB - 0 downloads) NewReinforcedHose.jpg (475KB - 1 downloads) | |
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| AGuess Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Holly Springs NC Vehicle(s): 93 500GE, 93 500GE, 2002 G500 Posts: 717  | ||
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| H1LM002G55 Expert Date registered: Mar 2010 Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1 Posts: 1796 | ||
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| mb230s Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SWFL Vehicle(s): G-less for now, vintage MBs, FJ40 | ||
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| H1LM002G55 Expert Date registered: Mar 2010 Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1 Posts: 1796 | ||
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| H1LM002G55 Expert Date registered: Mar 2010 Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1 Posts: 1796 | ||
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| mb230s Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SWFL Vehicle(s): G-less for now, vintage MBs, FJ40 | ||
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| H1LM002G55 Expert Date registered: Mar 2010 Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1 Posts: 1796 | ||
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| H1LM002G55 Expert Date registered: Mar 2010 Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1 Posts: 1796 | Re: Need Lower Radiator Hose for 500GE 10-December Update Affalterbach has delivered. Kudos to TNT...The least well known of the "big four" express carriers delivered the package within a week. My original hose ordered from Germany has yet to show up via DHL (!). This AMG-made hose looks great. I will install it on the weekend. Special thanks to AMG for the personal attention, close support, and amazingly fast turn-around time. There was one other nice item in the box which I am having framed...Picture to follow. Edited by H1LM002G55 12/10/2014 4:56 PM (IMG_9572.jpg) (IMG_9573.jpg) Attachments ---------------- IMG_9572.jpg (472KB - 0 downloads) IMG_9573.jpg (506KB - 2 downloads) | |
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| AGuess Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Holly Springs NC Vehicle(s): 93 500GE, 93 500GE, 2002 G500 Posts: 717 | ||
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| gerryvz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2014 Location: Annapolis, MD Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124) Posts: 336  | ||
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| H1LM002G55 Expert Date registered: Mar 2010 Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1 Posts: 1796 | ||
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| H1LM002G55 Expert Date registered: Mar 2010 Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1 Posts: 1796 | ||
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| H1LM002G55 Expert Date registered: Mar 2010 Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1 Posts: 1796 | Re: Need Lower Radiator Hose for 500GE Quick update: New Radiator Hose from AMG fitted and no leaks appear to have occurred. I spoke to Graz and they are now determining if it is possible to re-add some of the no longer available parts to their inventory system so that they can be distributed to Mercedes. I should know more about this next week and there are a few other items aside from the lower radiator hose that I am looking at having "re-issued". In appreciation for the efforts made and the kind support from various staff at AMG, I commissioned half a dozen coffee mugs to give as thank-you gifts to several individuals in Affalterbach who were so helpful. The mugs feature photographs of my beloved 500GE, a nice inscription in German to "AMG-Affalterbach", and a picture of the "G-Meister" who so kindly came out of retirement to "support the cause" while helping me. Edited by H1LM002G55 2/7/2015 11:38 PM (AMGGift.jpg) (AMGGift2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- AMGGift.jpg (384KB - 1 downloads) AMGGift2.jpg (385KB - 2 downloads) | |
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| AGuess Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Holly Springs NC Vehicle(s): 93 500GE, 93 500GE, 2002 G500 Posts: 717 | ||
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| H1LM002G55 Expert Date registered: Mar 2010 Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1 Posts: 1796 | ||
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