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TripleD513
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Date registered: May 2015
Location: New York, New York
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 6
| Frame mounted rock sliders?
Does anyone know where I can find FRAME mounted rock sliders or know of someone who can make them for me around the NYC vicinity? Those body mounted rock sliders like the VTS sliders aren't cutting it. Thanks... |
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AlanMcR
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, CA, Los Altos
Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL
Posts: 3500
| RE: Frame mounted rock sliders?
Even the factory mounted the sliders to the body. I've landed very hard on the body sliders without any body damage. The factory sliders have a few dents as a result.
If you choose to mount sliders directly to the frame make sure you don't interfere with the ability to slide on the frame. The smooth frame rail combined with full lockers are part of what make the G so versatile off-road.
Edited by AlanMcR 11/26/2015 8:03 PM
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hipine
Date registered: Jul 2006
Location: US, CO, Bailey
Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A
| RE: Frame mounted rock sliders?
I'm sorry to say mine have been in place and working perfectly for so long I don't even remember where they came from. They're a fantastic design that's super strong and as Alan says they don't impact the bottom of the chassis rails at all. They're really simple and could be made and mounted by any competent fab shop. The only caveat is that they're 460 only as the 463 exhaust runs right through the area where my slider mounts triangulate to the upper and lower edges of the chassis rail so they're impossible to bend or even really deflect noticeably at all.
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512bbi
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Date registered: Jan 2007
Location: North western US and Europe
Vehicle(s): 05G55kge,Range rover classic,clk55amg,ML 430
Posts: 1313
| RE: Frame mounted rock sliders?
Body mounted sliders are a bad idea for function as they can flex the body enough where you can not open and close doors properly
Rock sliders should be frame mounted to be what they need to do
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AlanMcR
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, CA, Los Altos
Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL
Posts: 3500
| RE: Frame mounted rock sliders?
Well, the factory seems to disagree with you on that point. Pictured below is the SWB version. The LWB version is longer and has an extra mounting point in the middle. Not only can you slide on these, but I've dropped a full foot onto a pointy rock. The latter event left a nice divot in the pipe, but didn't bend it. About my only complaint is that they don't cover the last 18" of the rocker because they leave room for the factory side exhaust.
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512bbi
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Date registered: Jan 2007
Location: North western US and Europe
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| RE: Frame mounted rock sliders?
Alan
I thought the same for years and had kind of similar experiences with my G in the past
Recently in a tire shop the G was lifted using as support the body to frame (I thought) mounts on the running boards and I could not close the drivers door after opening
Relieving the load of the lift everything went back to normal
I thought they were attached to frame as the factory sliders are but after realizing they can flex the body enough I wonder what am I missing here
I am thinking sliders should be able to support the whole vehicle if needed as part of the frame if high centered even slightly or need to slide on a rock...
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TripleD513
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Date registered: May 2015
Location: New York, New York
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 6
| Re: Frame mounted rock sliders?
I did not mean to offend anyone by coming down on Karls sliders. Another thing Im concerned with regarding most sliders that are available for the G is the fact that most do not protect the sides of the rocker panels. Often times when wheeling, the sliders are usefull to pivot around rocks in a tight corner. |
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ILIAN
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Date registered: Sep 2014
Location: Boston MA
Vehicle(s): 2000 G500 1999 CL500
Posts: 181
| Re: Frame mounted rock sliders?
Because of the tight fit of the door lock on the G and the beefy hinges most small deflections on the body will cause the door to not open, I've experienced this parking the car on uneven ground. It's not any cause for concern as it goes back to normal. If you have Carl's sliders it won't be too hard to fab some steel running boards that bolt on the sliders and can be used as a pivot point. Carl makes running boards that bolt on the sliders but they're aluminum and I don't know how strong they are. Forget about frame mounted sliders, the exhaust makes it pretty much impossible to make something that works well and doesn't weigh a ton. |
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DUTCH
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
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| Re: Frame mounted rock sliders?
ILIAN - 11/29/2015 11:04 AM
Because of the tight fit of the door lock on the G and the beefy hinges most small deflections on the body will cause the door to not open, I've experienced this parking the car on uneven ground.
Interesting. I've driven two different G's for 31 years and a total of 180k miles, and have never experienced that. And I've parked on a lot of very uneven off-road ground. |
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Titus Pullo
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Date registered: May 2007
Location: Ottawa, ON, Canada
Vehicle(s): '90 Wolf 240GD, '06 G270 CDI.
Posts: 1010
| Re: Frame mounted rock sliders?
TripleD513 - 11/29/2015 8:43 AM I did not mean to offend anyone by coming down on Karls sliders. Another thing Im concerned with regarding most sliders that are available for the G is the fact that most do not protect the sides of the rocker panels. Often times when wheeling, the sliders are usefull to pivot around rocks in a tight corner. I build my own rocker sliders based on this requirement - they were sticking outside about 2" and hanging around 3/4" , they prevented the lower lip and the side molding at the same time; attached to the body. Used them to lift the truck with Hilift too. Worked very well for me - this truck had seen a lot of beating, rocksliding and pivoting around them. |
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TripleD513
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Date registered: May 2015
Location: New York, New York
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 6
| Re: Frame mounted rock sliders?
Yes another reason for wanting the side protection is for another lift point for a hi lift jack. Im also not convinced that the exhaust in the 463 prevents having frame mounted sliders. I think there is a way and enough room to tuck the exhaust higher and or use a low profile exhaust so there is enough room for the brackets. |
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ILIAN
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Date registered: Sep 2014
Location: Boston MA
Vehicle(s): 2000 G500 1999 CL500
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| Re: Frame mounted rock sliders?
DUTCH - 11/29/2015 11:31 AM
ILIAN - 11/29/2015 11:04 AM
Because of the tight fit of the door lock on the G and the beefy hinges most small deflections on the body will cause the door to not open, I've experienced this parking the car on uneven ground.
Interesting. I've driven two different G's for 31 years and a total of 180k miles, and have never experienced that. And I've parked on a lot of very uneven off-road ground.
It's happened to me a couple times, one time I remember well I had the front wheels up on a snow bank and the drivers door took a bit of effort to open while the passenger door would not open with moderate effort. After I backed up the car on level ground both doors were closing and opening perfectly. My doors are well adjusted so I don't think that's the issue but it's no big deal anyway. I think it only happens if the suspension is flexed significantly. It may have something to do with the body lift I put on or maybe I got the body mounting bolts too tight but I'm not sure, I think it happened before I did the body lift. |
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AlanMcR
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, CA, Los Altos
Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL
Posts: 3500
| Re: Frame mounted rock sliders?
The body mounted sliders work fine as lift points. I use the hydraulic jack.
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512bbi
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Date registered: Jan 2007
Location: North western US and Europe
Vehicle(s): 05G55kge,Range rover classic,clk55amg,ML 430
Posts: 1313
| RE: Frame mounted rock sliders?
If all of the above is correct then one just needs rocker panels out of thick enough metal to operate as sliders and keep the clearance high.
I still struggle with the fact that the factory approves lifting the G from the body that flexes enough to not allow closing a door after opening one while having pressure from the mounts on the body from a lift touching all around both sides.
We all assumed the load was going on the frame!
Mario
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TripleD513
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Date registered: May 2015
Location: New York, New York
Vehicle(s): 2005 G500
Posts: 6
| Re: Frame mounted rock sliders?
AlanMcR - 11/29/2015 10:52 PM
The body mounted sliders work fine as lift points. I use the hydraulic jack.
You use the hydraulic jack on the trails????..... I'm lifted and would need to use a hi lift jack with a base.. I like to get as far away from the body when using a hi lift jack as well
Edited by TripleD513 11/30/2015 8:15 AM
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AlanMcR
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, CA, Los Altos
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| Re: Frame mounted rock sliders?
I need a jack when I'm buried, so the body is too close to the ground.
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panagis
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Date registered: Apr 2010
Location: Kefalonia Island, Greece
Vehicle(s): 1990 G 230 GE SWB
Posts: 22
| RE: Frame mounted rock sliders?
hello from Kefalonia Island, West Greece,
Almost ten years ago i was looking for bolt on rock guards-sliders for my 460 230 GE. The only solution was to construct them alone...
As you can see i decide to weld together a heavy box 2x2" with a U profile 2.5x1 3/4". Then i construct the tubular pieces front and rear in the lathe and i welded all together.
I didnt forget to put two mounts front and back for heavy nautical inox shackles to help for pulling out of the mesh the car
If someone try something like this i have few advices...
Let some more space between the body and the guard (lets say 3/4 of an inch...)
Make more (or bigger) holes in the U profile than i did to take out the mud and the water easily (diameter almost an inch...)
Choose a box 3x2 so the guard will be an inch outer than i did to protect the body better...
The only disadvantage of the system is that it is heavy (about 18 kg in each side). But they are life time guaranteed and you can unbolt them in a quarter of an hour and finaly if you paint it a nice mat black it seems original...
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AlanMcR
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, CA, Los Altos
Vehicle(s): G300DT E300DT 230SL
Posts: 3500
| RE: Frame mounted rock sliders?
The frame outriggers make that design possible on the W460. On the W463 the exhaust goes through the outrigger path.
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