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brabus g36
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Jun 2006
Location: Canada
Vehicle(s): 89 230GE cabrio, 88 280GE LWB, 87 300GD pickup
Posts: 608
| 1993 500ge 6.0
Such a sad week. Happy that it is over!!!!
I had my eyes on a 500GE with low mileage. Not much information came with the car. There were 3 pictures with the ad taken by the first generation iPhone.
the 500GE had bling all over it and had AMG badges from the front to the back and there was a 6.0 on the back of the G.
Sent a couple of emails and asked a lot about the G. the guy did not know much about it. He is in the plumbing business and bought it from a customer.
I asked for more pictures and some documentation from the car. He told me that there are some AMG papers with the car. NOW this is starting to be interesting!!!
I received the AMG papers and yes we are talking about the real deal, a 500GE AMG 6.0. I asked to check if the engine number was the same as on the papers, I checked a couple of transport companies and...
the story is over... since he did not know much about G's and since I asked a lot of questions, he started asking questions to his mechanic and he told him DON'T sell it!!!! what a sad phone call.
they DO exist!!!!
To see the AMG docs please go there https://issuu.com/brabusg36/docs/amg_doc_pdf
Edited by brabus g36 6/17/2016 9:30 AM
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Luky
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Bratislava, Slovakia, EU
Vehicle(s): 300GE LWB auto, E320CDI 4M, VW Polo Classic 1.6
Posts: 1062
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
I have seen a blue one with Swedish plates for sale many years ago. That time they were asking a bit over 30k for it... |
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Otiswesty
Administrator
Date registered: Jun 2007
Location: Portland, Oregon
Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213
Posts: 3006
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
Was it in Canada or Japan? |
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AGuess
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Holly Springs NC
Vehicle(s): 93 500GE, 93 500GE, 2002 G500
Posts: 717
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
Sorry you were not able to get it. However, ask the owner to keep your contact info and if he decides to sell it in the future, to contact you. He might do it.
One of my two 93 500GE's, not 6.0, vin ends in 054. Not far away from your ending number.
The 500GE's are very good G's, however you need to know that it is very hard to obtain parts for them as many parts are being discontinue by MB and even the Classic Center can not get them. So, you could buy a very rare truck and have problems or great expense in keeping it going. Just my observation.
With that said, I am spending the $$$ to keep mine going.
Good luck to you.
AGuess
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thebigblue
Date registered: Jan 2012
Location:
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| RE: 1993 500ge 6.0
One Brabus 560GE, based on the 500GE, is for sale in Denmark: http://ccgarage.dk/lager%20liste/mercedes%20g%20560%20brabus.html
The ad description (in Danish) states there was 2 or 3 build. This particular one was on the Brabus stand at the Motor Show Essen 1993.
Edited by thebigblue 6/18/2016 1:44 PM
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brabus g36
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Jun 2006
Location: Canada
Vehicle(s): 89 230GE cabrio, 88 280GE LWB, 87 300GD pickup
Posts: 608
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
There was one for sale 10 years ago in france for 18000 euros |
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bram_r
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2007
Location: the Netherlands
Vehicle(s): 1984 MB 280GE, 1982 MB 300GD, 1986 Subaru XT 4WD
Posts: 1659
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
A good story of how to over-inform the seller 
Too bad it didn't work out, but maybe if you keep in contact, he might sell it later as well.
He must have reasons to put it for sale in the first place. Only you need to hope the price doesn't double because he now know more of the history and rarity of the car.
gr. Bram |
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brabus g36
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Jun 2006
Location: Canada
Vehicle(s): 89 230GE cabrio, 88 280GE LWB, 87 300GD pickup
Posts: 608
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
i did not had interest in a 500ge with bling bling and amg badges that did not had the 6.0. So asking questions was the only solution especially when there was no info with the add. You see all kind of sellers/buyers on the internet. liars and thiefs are everywhere. pictures used from other cars, serial numbers used from other cars. Normally I can screen the adds and see right away what is fake and what is not. But sometimes there is a grey area where you have to aks questions.
If I came with a story that I bought a 500ge 6.0 but once arrived at my home it is a regular 500ge or even a 300ge (that would be verrrry stupid) then people would tell me that you did not asked enough questions.
At the end I spoke with a guy that has a 6.0, still have my money in my pocket. It is a sunny day here and life is good!!!! |
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kmaser
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Oct 2008
Location: Alberta canada / UAE
Vehicle(s): 1988 280GE SWB 617A with IP mods and HX30
Posts: 301
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
What was he asking for this 500GE? Is the value there or a regular 500GE? |
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rman
Regular
Date registered: Sep 2015
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Vehicle(s): 2003 G500
Posts: 53
| RE: 1993 500ge 6.0
brabus g36 - 6/17/2016 6:26 AM
Such a sad week. Happy that it is over!!!!
I had my eyes on a 500GE with low mileage. Not much information came with the car. There were 3 pictures with the ad taken by the first generation iPhone.
the 500GE had bling all over it and had AMG badges from the front to the back and there was a 6.0 on the back of the G.
Sent a couple of emails and asked a lot about the G. the guy did not know much about it. He is in the plumbing business and bought it from a customer.
I asked for more pictures and some documentation from the car. He told me that there are some AMG papers with the car. NOW this is starting to be interesting!!!
I received the AMG papers and yes we are talking about the real deal, a 500GE AMG 6.0. I asked to check if the engine number was the same as on the papers, I checked a couple of transport companies and...
the story is over... since he did not know much about G's and since I asked a lot of questions, he started asking questions to his mechanic and he told him DON'T sell it!!!! what a sad phone call.
they DO exist!!!!
To see the AMG docs please go there https://issuu.com/brabusg36/docs/amg_doc_pdf
This item is still listed for sale locally, with an adjusted ad. I suggest you speak with the individual again!!!
R. |
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brabus g36
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Jun 2006
Location: Canada
Vehicle(s): 89 230GE cabrio, 88 280GE LWB, 87 300GD pickup
Posts: 608
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
After finding out that there are major engine problems i walked away. I don't have m117 amg parts laying around in my garage and I asked for a couple of amg specialists in the US quotations and this is a +20k engine rebuild job.
No thank you |
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Luky
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Bratislava, Slovakia, EU
Vehicle(s): 300GE LWB auto, E320CDI 4M, VW Polo Classic 1.6
Posts: 1062
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
If You are not interested anymore, could You post the ad so we can all see it? |
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H1LM002G55
Expert
Date registered: Mar 2010
Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah
Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1
Posts: 1796
| RE: 1993 500ge 6.0
Yes, that is the IAA demo car. I know the original owner. A German G-Club member. Niko.
Killer truck. A black one ended up in Catalunya, Spain...with the 5.6. |
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H1LM002G55
Expert
Date registered: Mar 2010
Location: S Florida / Geneva / Jeddah
Vehicle(s): 500 GE, G55, LM002, H1
Posts: 1796
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
brabus g36 - 7/20/2016 4:47 PM
After finding out that there are major engine problems i walked away. I don't have m117 amg parts laying around in my garage and I asked for a couple of amg specialists in the US quotations and this is a +20k engine rebuild job.
No thank you
The M117 is one of the most prolific Mercedes V8s and there are some around with over 1 Million miles. No joke. The Achilles heel of the engine is the timing chain and the plastic rails/chain guides and the tensioner.
AMG bored and stroked the motor but it will have a crank from a 5.6 (I think) and enlarged pistons. The camshaft a are custom ground at AMG. If cam lobes look good and mileage is low I would buy it. |
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kmaser
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Oct 2008
Location: Alberta canada / UAE
Vehicle(s): 1988 280GE SWB 617A with IP mods and HX30
Posts: 301
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
I have looked at and driven this G, Interior is mint, it has been painted at some point in its life, has major brake issues and I found the engine to have a major lack of power especially at or near full throttle when it kicks down it makes some noise but doesnt do a lot. The thrust bearings were replaced due to a knock, cam chains and tensioner has been done, 1 rocker arm was scored and rhe camahaft a has some slight scrqtching that couldnt be caught with a fingernail across it according to the mechanic who did the work. The potential for engine problems are the biggest red flag but it sounds and runs great.
Edited by kmaser 9/20/2016 2:00 PM
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brabus g36
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Jun 2006
Location: Canada
Vehicle(s): 89 230GE cabrio, 88 280GE LWB, 87 300GD pickup
Posts: 608
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
Did he showed you the invoices from previous repairs. The comments on those are scary...
the engine problems are the reason I stepped away.
I have noticed that it is no longer listed. possible it is sold.
3rd brake light and positioning lights installation makes my cry. they could use original parts but preferred to use universal chrome truck lights.
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kmaser
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Oct 2008
Location: Alberta canada / UAE
Vehicle(s): 1988 280GE SWB 617A with IP mods and HX30
Posts: 301
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
Yes I did notice that too which is too bad and I did go speak in person with the mechanic who did the work. Most of his comments that were a little scary were during the initial inspection before he got into it and found the worn thrust bearings. It seems to me that the previous owner did not do a lot of maintenance. I also believe that to be perfect body paint wise that the trim should all be removed, sanded and touched up / re painted with the trim off. I think it would be ok for 20k or less and go through everything with your own eyes to be comfortable with the engine. |
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kmaser
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Oct 2008
Location: Alberta canada / UAE
Vehicle(s): 1988 280GE SWB 617A with IP mods and HX30
Posts: 301
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
Also did he ever confirm the engine numbers matched, the mechanic said the lifters were hydraulic and I had thought the AMG modification was to go solid lifter? |
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brabus g36
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Jun 2006
Location: Canada
Vehicle(s): 89 230GE cabrio, 88 280GE LWB, 87 300GD pickup
Posts: 608
| Re: 1993 500ge 6.0
No he never did confirm it |
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kmaser
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Oct 2008
Location: Alberta canada / UAE
Vehicle(s): 1988 280GE SWB 617A with IP mods and HX30
Posts: 301
| RE: 1993 500ge 6.0
Well I bought this 500GE 6.0 and I have done the following:
-Cam chains, plastic guides, tensioner as well as I used a borescope to confirm the lower guides are intact as no one seems to change those.
-Inspected the camshaft lobes and there are slight scratches from the stuck rocker arm but so minor I can't feel it with my fingernail and I think I have located a new set but waiting to hear on price. These I would keep as spares just in case they are ever needed.
-I have replaced all the vacuum hoses and fittings, cap, rotor, spark plugs, belts, flushed the cooling system, oil changed to amsoil with proper Zinc levels, changed diff and T-case oils so everything is up to date.
-The front brakes were worn right to metal so they were re-done, it already had the vented rotors.
-I had initially thought the wheel bearings were loose but the king pin bearings had gotten water in them and had worn so I did all the bearings, CV boots and flushed the brake fluid while I was at it.
-I got all that done and took it for a drive, still had a distinct lack of power above 2000rpm. I drilled a hole in the exhaust pre-Cat and tapped it to 1/8" NPT and installed my manometer to check back pressure. It had 30psi by 3500rpm! So off came the cats and they were plugged and collapsed. They are now empty shells until I find suitable replacements.
-Went for a drive and it's is fantastic, like a new car that gained 200HP and it should feel like a new car it only has 88,000KM's.
-Now I have started the de-blinging and have taken off the fully chromed grill guard, chrome vents and cheap looking chrome handle covers etc.
So far so good and it runs amazingly. 
Edited by kmaser 1/20/2017 11:14 AM
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