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Nazrat Veteran Date registered: Jun 2009 Location: Northern VA Vehicle(s): 1994 G320 Europa Import for sale, 2003 G500 Posts: 200 | RE: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes How do I see the engine specifics other than the 104.996? The VIN is WDB463231170968997 -Tad | ||
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DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | RE: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes Nazrat - 3/6/2017 6:55 PM How do I see the engine specifics other than the 104.996? The VIN is WDB463231170968997 -Tad You have one too many digits in the VIN. | ||
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Nazrat Veteran Date registered: Jun 2009 Location: Northern VA Vehicle(s): 1994 G320 Europa Import for sale, 2003 G500 Posts: 200 | Re: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes WDB46323117096899 Not sure where the 7 at the end came from. -Tad | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3006 | Re: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes gerryvz - 2/25/2017 8:10 AM An equivalent E320 (HFM W124 M104) ECU **does** work well with the earlier M104 G320 models. As Floob says, starting for the 1996 model year there was a coding system (DAS) that ties the ECU to the vehicle and requires special programming. My stock G320 ECU failed about 1.5 years ago (two cylinders dead; not it wasn't a coil pack) and I replaced it with a non-ASR E320 ECU from 1995, US-spec. It has worked stupendously well since. I have not noticed any difference in running, gas mileage, etc. Plug and play. I detailed this in another thread Hey Gerry, I pulled my ECU and it has a part number starting with 019. It is in my 1995 G320 and the part is dated 1994. The E320 ones that I see are either 016 or 017. Are you saying that the non-ASR 016 and 017 part numbers from an E320 would work even if they have more pins than the stock ECU? Looking on Ebay as the weather here is not good for a junk yard troll. Edited by otiswesty 3/9/2017 8:46 PM | ||
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gerryvz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2014 Location: Annapolis, MD Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124) Posts: 336 | Re: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes I am using an ECU straight out of a 1995 E320 model in my G320, and it is working just fine. I'm not home at the moment so don't have my original/stock G320 ECU right at hand. Can't remember if I posted it in the earlier thread I did on the topic from 1.5 years ago... The main thing is that it MUST be a non-ASR ECU. Is the pin count not the same? The connectors certainly fit the ECU just fine. | ||
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gerryvz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2014 Location: Annapolis, MD Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124) Posts: 336 | RE: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes Nazrat - 3/5/2017 11:24 AM You need to check the physical characteristics of the model that the spare ECU came from, to determine whether it had ASR or not. You can do this by looking at the ABS pump underhood, as well as the presence of the "yellow triangle" above the center of the speedo needle in the instrument cluster. A stock G320 G-wagen WILL have this "yellow triangle" in its stock speedo, to indicate when ABS has been switched off. An ASR W124 model WILL ALSO have this same "yellow triangle" field. A NON-ASR W124 model WILL NOT Have this "yellow field" in the speedo, and this is the car that you would want. Note that ONLY 1993-1995 US model year 300E (1993) and E320 (1994 and 1995) W124 models without ASR will work.Two questions:
I thought I asked the fuel question when I bought the truck, but can't seem to find that thread so I apologize for the duplicate question. It just relates to the ECU question I have now. -Tad "Bleifrei Normal" means "unleaded normal" and this would be a roughly equivalent reminder as the "unleaded fuel only" sticker that the importer/converter would have placed in the cluster. The "Bleifrei Normal" sticker inside the fuel door is indeed placed there by the factory in Graz. You are correct that the 104.996 specified for the G320 was spec'd with 210 BHP, with the 104.992 specified for the US-market 1993-1995 300E/E320 models was spec'd with 217 BHP. I believe the G320 likely would have been spec'd with lower compression because the factory felt it may well be used in markets with lower available (i.e "regular unleaded") fuel quality, whereas the US-market E320 is supposed to be used with "Premium Unleaded" fuel of octane rating 91 or higher. Note that the HFM injection system, as used in the 104.99X engines, is an integrated (Motronic) system that combines the fuel and ignition control systems. It will automatically adjust ignition timing and intake camshaft advance levels to match the available fuel, using two knock detectors that screw directly into the block of the engine and are inputs into the HFM computer. It is possible to use lower quality ("normal unleaded" fuel and have the engine in an E320, or G320, with a 217BHP computer from a sedan run just fine. May not develop quite the power, but the computer will keep things from knocking or detonating automatically. Best rule of thumb, which I have always done in all of the MBs I have ever owned, is just to always fill the tank with Premium Unleaded. I have never owned a Benz sedan that did not require premium gasoline. | ||
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gerryvz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2014 Location: Annapolis, MD Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124) Posts: 336 | RE: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes Nazrat - 3/6/2017 5:55 PM How do I see the engine specifics other than the 104.996? The VIN is WDB463231170968997 -Tad Nazrat, Your data card is attached, as printed from the MB EPC. These are the official records that the factory has in its part system about your truck. Attachments ---------------- Nazrat.pdf (60KB - 2 downloads) | ||
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gerryvz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2014 Location: Annapolis, MD Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124) Posts: 336 | Re: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes Nazrat - 3/6/2017 6:57 PM WDB46323117096899 Not sure where the 7 at the end came from. -Tad The 7 is an additional number code that is placed at the end of the official chassis ID number from MB. My truck's chassis ID is WDB46323117098065 and the EPC puts a "1" code at the end of that number. Since my truck is not a US model, it does not have a US VIN, and uses the MB chassis ID number as its official VIN. US VIN numbers are different than MB chassis ID codes (for the US market, not for other markets). There See attached data card for my truck, and you'll see the extra code number. I've seen this extra digit placed after the chassis ID codes on all MB models. Example from my 1989 560SEC: US VIN: WDBCA45E6KA466839 MB chassis ID: WDB1260451A466839 5 Attachments ---------------- GVZ-G320.pdf (59KB - 3 downloads) | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3006 | RE: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes Here is a pic of the pin out pattern on my ECU and a pic of a random 1995 E320 ECU off of eBay. They seem to all look like this. Looks like it would probably mate up to the plugs tho... Edited by otiswesty 3/10/2017 6:33 PM (My ECU.jpg) (E320ECU.jpg) Attachments ---------------- My ECU.jpg (50KB - 0 downloads) E320ECU.jpg (26KB - 0 downloads) | ||
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Nazrat Veteran Date registered: Jun 2009 Location: Northern VA Vehicle(s): 1994 G320 Europa Import for sale, 2003 G500 Posts: 200 | RE: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes gerryvz - 3/10/2017 4:51 PM Nazrat - 3/6/2017 5:55 PM How do I see the engine specifics other than the 104.996? The VIN is WDB463231170968997 -Tad Nazrat, Your data card is attached, as printed from the MB EPC. These are the official records that the factory has in its part system about your truck. Thanks. I see it says nothing about the 3.6L engine, which is no surprise, not the fuel requirements. I will continue to use premium. -Tad | ||
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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | RE: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes The M104 G320 only need Regular Unleaded as stated in owners manual "91 RON" which equates to 86.75 US. That's all I run. Not trying to cheap out, just that what it calls for and have yet to hear any knocking. I do run premium on my other MB cars that require it. As Gerry stated, most MB run on premium except for those lower compression motors used on various G models through the years. I also think people confuse 91 RON as being the same as US octane rating 91 which it is not. http://www.pencilgeek.org/2009/05/octane-rating-conversions.html
Mike Edited by DesertStar 3/13/2017 2:50 AM (fuelg320.jpg) (g320fuel2.jpg) Attachments ---------------- fuelg320.jpg (84KB - 0 downloads) g320fuel2.jpg (59KB - 0 downloads) | ||
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gerryvz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2014 Location: Annapolis, MD Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124) Posts: 336 | Re: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes For those of us who are running sedan (E320) ECUs in our 104.996 engines...I would recommend using premium unleaded (US pump octane 91+) to accommodate the different ignition maps and injection curves inherent to those E320 ECUs. | ||
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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | Re: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes gerryvz - 3/13/2017 11:45 AM For those of us who are running sedan (E320) ECUs in our 104.996 engines...I would recommend using premium unleaded (US pump octane 91+) to accommodate the different ignition maps and injection curves inherent to those E320 ECUs. Good point. I did not even think of that. Do you think the HFM resisitance trimming plug needs adjusting as well ? Thanks ! Edited by DesertStar 3/13/2017 3:47 PM | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3006 | Re: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes I found another Mercedes-VDO ECU on eBay with the exact same part number and pin out. I will trial it later this week and see if it cures some missing and mild idle issues I am seeing. If not, it will be good to have an inexpensive spare. Otherwise I will head over to the PnP as the weather is improving here. | ||
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gerryvz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2014 Location: Annapolis, MD Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124) Posts: 336 | Re: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes What is the part number of the G320 ECU that you found on eBay? | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3006 | RE: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes It is 0195450632 Here is a pic of the one I bought. Identical in every way I can see to the one in the trruck. (VDO.jpg) Attachments ---------------- VDO.jpg (86KB - 0 downloads) | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3006 | RE: 1995 G320 ECU swap Well, I was motivated to check out my convenience relay to see if that was effecting my radio... other thread The ECU is behind the glove box, I pulled it last week to look at the part numbers. Here it is in situ I ordered an identical used one on eBay and it came in the brown van "mail" today. While I was pulling the convenience relay, I'm like what the heck, lets swap the ECU and see what happens! (Conven3.jpg) (ECUs.jpg) (PinOut.jpg) Attachments ---------------- Conven3.jpg (231KB - 0 downloads) ECUs.jpg (239KB - 0 downloads) PinOut.jpg (164KB - 0 downloads) | ||
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Otiswesty Administrator Date registered: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, Oregon Vehicle(s): 463.241, 461.213 Posts: 3006 | Re: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes Looks like it should work? Nope, The G is dead as if I was using a fake key to start it. It cranks but no spark. Clearly an immobilizer issue or some thing like that. It is dark outside right now, the original ECU is going back into the G bright and early tomorrow. Not the greatest shade tree mechanic, back country rescue ECU swap that I was hoping it would be. Edited by otiswesty 3/13/2017 10:51 PM | ||
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DesertStar Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500 Posts: 2156 | Re: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes otiswesty - 3/13/2017 7:49 PM Looks like it should work? Nope, The G is dead as if I was using a fake key to start it. It cranks but no spark. Clearly an immobilizer issue or some thing like that. It is dark outside right now, the original ECU is going back into the G bright and early tomorrow. Not the greatest shade tree mechanic, back country rescue ECU swap that I was hoping it would be. I gotta ask...did you disconnect battery and turn ignition off before the swap ? If not, maybe the OVP relay (below the K24 convenience relay with the fuse inside) could have blown to protect any surge to the ECU ? Maybe check the fuse inside the OVP relay. I only say this as I had problems when I disconnected all relays to check contacts while battery still connected and ignition on. I had an OVP relay issue right after with symptom like you describe.....maybe coincidence? A new relay solved my problem. Sorry to hear your master plan has a hiccup. | ||
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gerryvz Extreme Veteran Date registered: Apr 2014 Location: Annapolis, MD Vehicle(s): 1994 G320, 1989 560SEC, 1994 E500 (W124) Posts: 336 | Re: 1994 G320 (M104) ECU codes Looking at the date code on the "new to you" ECU, it appears to me as if it is a late 1995 unit (for a 1996 model year G320), and thus would include the more "advanced" DAS/immobilizer system that is coded to the vehicle. I bet that a 1993-1995 model year US-spec E320 ECU will work just fine, or a 1994 or early/mid year 1995 G320 ECU. Cheers, Gerry Edited by gerryvz 3/14/2017 10:50 AM | ||
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