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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
Posts: 9963
| 1984 G Prices in Germany
One of our members posted a request on the other forum asking about prices for the G in the mid 80's. Since I am no longer allowed (read "banned"   ) to post on that forum, I'll respond to his request here; since he frequents both places.
Attached is the official price list for the M-B Cross Country Vehicle (read Geländewagen) and all available civilian accessories in January 1984. Prices are in Deutsch Marks, which were about DM 2.75 = US$1.00 at that time. Interesting reading.
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 1984_G_Prices (2).pdf (644KB - 70 downloads)
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TWODOGS
Extreme Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: UK
Vehicle(s): Norwegian Army 240GD
Posts: 584
| RE: 1984 G Prices in Germany
very interesting , the optional extras soon mount up 
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4x4abc
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
| RE: 1984 G Prices in Germany
yup, I had responded to Ken on the other forum (I am not banned yet):
the truck was not expensive at all in the mid 80's - around $20k
However, Europa as one of the US grey market importers (they were not the only seller) milked the market for whatever they could get. So, the truck was not expensive but some paid more than others for it.
I imported my first 300GD in '86 myself (well, I was one of the grey market importers) - with full options, customs and shipping I paid $18k |
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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
Posts: 9963
| RE: 1984 G Prices in Germany
4x4abc - 2/15/2007 10:19 AM
yup, I had responded to Ken on the other forum (I am not banned yet):
the truck was not expensive at all in the mid 80's - around $20k
However, Europa as one of the US grey market importers (they were not the only seller) milked the market for whatever they could get.
If I remember correctly, Europa would take the price in DM and put a US$ sign in front of it. If it sold for DM 50,000.00 in Europe, Europa's price in the US was US$50,000.00. Not a bad markup. |
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w.james
Veteran
Date registered: Jun 2006
Location: New Jersey
Vehicle(s): 84 280 GE 617A 5sp getrag
Posts: 239
| RE: 1984 G Prices in Germany
Do you know what the exchange rate, DM to dollars in 1984? |
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4x4abc
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
| RE: 1984 G Prices in Germany
around 2.5:1 (DM:$)in '84
when I bought my 300GD in early '86 it was 3.2:1
that were the good old days when the Dollar was strong
today the Dollar has fallen against the Euro to 0.76:1 (€:$)
Edited by 4x4abc 2/15/2007 10:47 AM
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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
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Posts: 9963
| Original Invoice for LWB 280GE
This is the original invoice for the LWB 1984 280GE currently owned by burqueDOKA. The DM 9,686.07 14% Umsatzteuer (Sales Tax) was refunded when I showed proof that it had been exported from Germany.
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280GE_Invoice.pdf (146KB - 23 downloads)
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mb230s
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: SWFL
Vehicle(s): G-less for now, vintage MBs, FJ40
| Re: 1984 G Prices in Germany
The dollar is very weak. I sold a bunch of 190SL parts to a guy in California that is assembling cars to ship BACK to Germany. He sent 60+ cars last year. Mostly various years of SLs.
I tried to get myself banned on BW a few weeks back. It didn't work. Now I want to be the moderator so I can mass delete all the posts by people too stupid to read the owners manual or use the search function.
Edited by mb230s 2/15/2007 11:08 AM
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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
Posts: 9963
| Re: 1984 G Prices in Germany
mb230s - 2/15/2007 11:05 AM
I tried to get myself banned on BW a few weeks back. It didn't work.
If I knew how to do it, I'd tell you; but I was given no warning or explanation, so I can't tell you why.  |
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DesertStar
Expert
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego, CA USA
Vehicle(s): 85-280GE/95-G320/08-G500
Posts: 2156
| RE: 1984 G Prices in Germany
That right on the money....my invoice shows total cost of 27805.03 in 1985, interestingly less expensive than my 1981 300SD in 1981. I think a Blazer/Bronco back in 84/85 was around 10k.
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mb230s
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: SWFL
Vehicle(s): G-less for now, vintage MBs, FJ40
| Re: 1984 G Prices in Germany
Dutch's title on BW even says BANNED! |
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PolishEagle
Regular
Date registered: Feb 2007
Location: New Jersey
Vehicle(s): 2003 G500; 2002 CLK55 1981 380SL; 2007 R320
Posts: 66
| RE: 1984 G Prices in Germany
Thanks Dutch, Still can't figure out when some peeps say they spent $87,000-$107,000 for these G's back in the 80's, that was real money back then.
I posted what I was told when I bought truck that original owner paid $107,000 for truck. I have no proof one way or the other. 
Got my New/used truck Thurs in Ct. with my 2 daughters and wife. 
Drove it to upstate New York were there was 30-40 Inchs of snow, then back to NJ. Over 500 miles in the 3 days.
Friggin fell in Love with truck. Reminds me of my old S classes of the 80's. Just a friggin tank.
SO, I am pretty sure I will not be driving my old G that much.
(Supposedly it sold on Ebay, but buyer hasn't responded back to me soooooooooo.............)
Again, thanks Dutch for price list.
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J.R.
Elite Veteran
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: Southern Maryland
Vehicle(s): 00 G500, 09 911 4S, 11 Cayenne S, 86 280GE (sold)
Posts: 828
| RE: 1984 G Prices in Germany
Dutch or Harald,
Do you recall who were the primary Registered Importers that Europa and individuals were using back then, how long the wait was for the work to be completed and about what they were charging?
Dutch,
I've always presumed that you took delivery in Europe and then drove around prior to importing (based on some of the pictures you've posted in the past). Is that assumption correct and if so how long did you take for your driving vacation?
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DUTCH
Administrator Doppelgänger
Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: US, GA, Atlanta
Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter
Posts: 9963
| RE: 1984 G Prices in Germany
J.R. - 2/19/2007 12:57 PM
Dutch or Harald,
Do you recall who were the primary Registered Importers that Europa and individuals were using back then, how long the wait was for the work to be completed and about what they were charging?[\quote]
There was no such thing as a R.I. back before the mid 80's. There were a million and one Federalizers - many of whom would falsify documents. These falsified documents were the main reason that the DOT clamped down and set up the R.I. program. The work was done on my 280GE in 3 days. It took a couple of months for the paperwork to pass through the system; but I was driving my G under bond the minute the Federalizer finished tightened the last screw.
Dutch,
I've always presumed that you took delivery in Europe and then drove around prior to importing (based on some of the pictures you've posted in the past). Is that assumption correct and if so how long did you take for your driving vacation?
Yes, I ordered it from and took delivery through the MB Factory Showroom (Niederlassung ) in Stuttgart. It took two trips - one to order it and the second (delayed due to a European Machinists' Union strike ) to take delivery.
The maiden voyage was a week to 10 days, possibly 2 weeks - I don't remember for sure. There was no minimum driving time or mileage required to be able to bring it back to the US. All that was required was a Customs Performance Bond which mandated the Federalization be completed within a specified period of time - 6-9 months, if I remember correctly; and a Customs Duty payment of 2.5%. Those certainly were the good old days.
As an aside, I have long since pitched all the price lists I used to have from Europa Int'l in Santa Fe; but as my very leaky memory recollects, they were charging something like $50k-70k for a similar vehicle. Certainly not the $100k plus that people seem to remember. I don't think the $100k type numbers came until the W463's. Russ could probably tell you for sure; although he was not yet involved with Europa Int'l when I brought mine in. Dave Holland handled everything, except for the wrench work in the back bay down the block. Even Anthony wasn't there yet. |
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