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SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

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Posted 4/6/2007 4:57 PM

nugat
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Date registered: Jan 2007
Location: Warsaw, Poland
Vehicle(s): 280GE, 290GD, c303
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RE: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

From the other side of the pond--here'e my 280 GE with 33x10.5x15 BFG M/T (265x85x15) and 30mm H&R magnesium alloy spacers. The 150HP engine and auto gear box don't really let you feel any loss of torque.
Also becasue the tire is not monster wide, the handling is very good. The only problem is on wet surfaces, so I am going to get them siped. For winter I have proper winter tires (Dunlop Grand Treks 31x10.5x15).
I was considering 35x12.5, but Harald here recommended switching to 6.17 gearing, and I am still hesitating. I still prefer the winter tire option (not too wide or big) and with such gearing that would be too much torque--right? Or does somebody has a different experience?

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Posted 4/6/2007 5:22 PM

MarcO
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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Re: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

My biggest regret with the 55 is that I can not fit the 16 inch atik wheel under it. Do not get me started with MB service. The crap that I have been told would make Karl Benz turn over in his grave. I do not even bother talking to my dealer any more.

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Posted 4/6/2007 5:33 PM

DesertStar
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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RE: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

Nugat, if your tires are serving your intended and present purpose and offroad needs why go bigger ? The extra money saved on doing a gearing swap and bigger tires will probably buy you a lot of cool things to add to your G or Pinz.

Personally I think your G looks "just right" with those 33's.

Mike

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Posted 4/6/2007 5:39 PM

4x4abc

Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
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RE: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

Piotr,

it depends on you gas foot how much torque will be created where the tire meets the ground.

A G55K has a lot more torque (with stock gears) than you will ever have with 6.17 gears. Is a G55K undreveable in the winter? Well again, it depends on the driver's foot.

So, get 35's and 6.17 gears.

For many years guys seeking advice have asked me about tires and gears. For the serious, my answer has always been 35/6.17 (or respective gears for other vehicles). Then the discussion about "why?" follows. In the end most ignore the gears and throw on slightly smaller tires like 33's. Dramatic power loss and speed increase for crawling remain unresolved. I could have spent that time with a few beers at the beach. On that note - that's where I am heading this moment.
Salud!

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Posted 4/6/2007 5:53 PM

nugat
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RE: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

Oh well, Harald, I'm just trying to preserve/justify my investment in two sets of wheels two months ago...
Mike! It's not a pinz, its a volvo c303/tgb1111! Big difference. Here's my last sunday with it. Gelenda was there too and almost equal. It just cannot match the clearance (16 inch) and approach/departure/climb ability (100%) of Laplander
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UvEkUwHwfQ

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Posted 4/7/2007 4:12 AM

hus55
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: north cyprus,lapta.
Vehicle(s): 300GDS, G300 LONG,300GDT CLK55 AMG CAB.
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RE: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

wow! your G looks mean nugat :biggrin.are those 33's available in all europe

i think i might get a set for my cabrio in n-cyprus,(they look just right)looks like you have taller srpings too.

i have been after your 308D van mirrors for a long time,can you send me a part number for them please?

rgds hus55

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Posted 4/7/2007 4:37 AM

nugat
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Re: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

Hus,
BFG 33s are off the shelf in Poland (off the web actually). My G has a 2 inch body lift, not springs, I exchanged the old springs for new original Sachs. I think the look comes also from 30mm spacers. I have no idea about the mirrors. My 1987 G was top option back then (9 seater, auto,air con, webasto, recaro seats, alloys, heavy duty springs, fender flares etc) but the vin check says nothing abot the mirrors. Must have been the model's standard.
Piotr

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Posted 4/7/2007 4:52 AM

hus55
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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RE: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

my cabrio also has spacers but not evident from the road tyres.

any more pics of your g interior etc?

coild you look if theres nany numbers on the mirrors itself?

rgds hus.

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Posted 4/7/2007 7:13 AM

nugat
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RE: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

Both mirrors have markings: "Hella, II e1 01*14062, III e1 02*17335, IIIE1 01 17335"--the last one in big letters. So inquire with Hella perhaps.

As for the pictures, obliging with pleasure.

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Posted 4/7/2007 7:21 AM

nugat
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RE: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

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Posted 4/7/2007 9:06 AM

PolishEagle
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Date registered: Feb 2007
Location: New Jersey
Vehicle(s): 2003 G500; 2002 CLK55 1981 380SL; 2007 R320
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Re: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

Hay I value all your opinions, if not I wouldn't be here every day.

Anyway, blew some of my kids inheritance on new rims through Sean. (Anyone want to buy a set of 18 inch rims?)

I think with the driving style (98.3%) hehehe Highway and (1.7%) off road, I am going with Silentarmor. On tireracks site they are rated in the top 3, and noise level is very important to me since I make my living via the mobile phone.

Goodyear
Wrangler SilentArmor

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265/70-16 (Front & Rear)

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Treadwear
TIRE SPECS
UTQG Data
Max Load
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Meas. Rim Width
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$145.00

On-/Off Road All-Terrain
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50,000 miles

Probably - 8.2
8.9
9.0
8.9
9.3
8.9
9.1
9.1
8.6
8.6
8.7
8.8

520 A B
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#69335 - in reply to #69193

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Posted 4/7/2007 9:21 AM

hus55
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RE: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

nugat

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Posted 4/7/2007 9:56 AM

folidol
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RE: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

I think Harald's calculation -graphically explained- was super clear. One question only: What is ET?

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Posted 4/7/2007 3:00 PM

4x4abc

Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico
Vehicle(s): 02 G500
5000

RE: SO is this true from Mercedes Benz on downsizing rims?

ET is German and stands for "Einpresstiefe"

ET is measured from the centerline of the wheel towards the outside until reaching the mounting face in Millimeters (mm) - "B" in figure 2.
Backspace on the other hand, is measured from the back lip of the wheel towards the outside until reaching the mounting face in inches - "A" in figure 1.

Edited by 4x4abc 4/7/2007 3:03 PM

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