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Posted 4/22/2007 12:09 AM
hipine



Date registered: Jul 2006
Location: US, CO, Bailey
Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A
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RE: G1/18-5 is in

Well, I was messing around a little today getting the G readyfor my trip this week.  Loading the top tent on, the drawers for camping stuff and the Engel frindge in the rear, did a valve lash, etc.

I also decided to take the lever off my old 280 shifter and swap itover to the shifter I have in the G now.  The shifter I modifided for the 5-speed box is the one off the 300GD parts truck and for some reason the shift lever on it is quite short.  It's like the black one in AMZ's pictures.  The lever on my old 280 shifter must be at least 2" longer, and has a little dog leg in it so I thought it would result in easier shift throws.  So far so good.  Much more natural to me.  I don't know if I'll bother changing the shifter at all.  But I might mess around with it a little more eventually to arange the gating so I don't have to lift up to get first, and still keep the lockout to reverse.  We'll see.

-Dave

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Posted 4/22/2007 4:43 AM
amzimmy
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: South Africa/Italy
Vehicle(s): GD300 1981, Alfa GT 3,2 V6, Alfa Brera Q4 3,2 V6.
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RE: G1/18-5 is in

Dave, that is interesting. Please keep up posted on this matter. I have gathered several shifters that I could find in the second hand spare-shops (some weird and strange settings) in general they just gave me the shifters, strangely enough there is no great demand for them here!

amzimmy
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Posted 4/23/2007 4:30 PM
hipine



Date registered: Jul 2006
Location: US, CO, Bailey
Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A
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RE: Powerband 617 / 617A

I'm sorry Michele, but something is wrong in the scaling of the graphs or something.  There's just no way that some "banana pipes" (or even lumping in the new cam)  increase your torque by a factor of 4x (75-275).  The pipes and cam can increase filling efficiency, but no matter what, a normally aspirated (no forced induction) is always less than 1.  Really good ones are on the order of 0.8 efficiency.  Adding forced induction of a turbo brings that efficiency up to something like 1.5.  So even with super cool pipes, cams, what have you, for a like displacement engine, there's just no way that the graphs can be taken at face value as a before and after comparison.  We should dig a little deeper.

-Dave G.

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Posted 4/24/2007 1:32 PM
amzimmy
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Date registered: Apr 2006
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RE: Powerband 617 / 617A

Dave, These Graphs are the honest truth, as I got them from the Diesel experts. The first Graph showing the lower figures, have been taken from the old-flat engine (a second hand engine from a scrap-yard). In the same graph, the upper figures are after some improvements have been done like timing, diesel pump settings etc. The engine old was then removed and given to my mechanic for the re bore, cam, free-flow, new piston, new head etc etc and after the conversion the engine performance result are as it is on the graph. I will go back to the Diesel experts to redo the dyna-test and then I will issue the new graph.

amzimmy

Edited by amzimmy 4/24/2007 1:34 PM
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Posted 4/24/2007 2:14 PM
hipine



Date registered: Jul 2006
Location: US, CO, Bailey
Vehicle(s): 460 1980 280GE w. 617A
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RE: Powerband 617 / 617A

Loki gets the whole story here then.  These graphs aren't "...before/after headers..." but before/after engine. :^)))

Still seems pretty incredible to me.  Are these rear wheel hp/torque, or with some "correction factors" applied to move the measurements from the place they can take them (wheels) to get a figures at the crank (impossible to measure w. engine in truck)?  I've seen some pretty generous correction factors.

And for what it's worth, here are the factory comparisons of torque and hp at the crank done by MB engine dyno.  Torque is the lower set of curves read from the scale on the right, and hp is the tall set of curves and you look to the numbers on the left side of the graph.  The red line for torque of the M110 is one I penciled in from a separate graph in my M110 motor manual.

-Dave G.



Edited by hipine 4/24/2007 2:28 PM




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#71329 - in reply to #71323
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Posted 4/24/2007 4:20 PM
amzimmy
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Date registered: Apr 2006
Location: South Africa/Italy
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RE: Powerband 617 / 617A

Well Dave, you got me totally "befuddled" Now I definitively go and have the dyna test redone and have the graphs explained, yours and mine, by the, so called, SA Diesel specialist. I'll be back with a result.

What I know is that my truck is now travelling steady at approx. 3800 rpm at 120 km/hr (75 mph) on a level road and if I floor the accelerator it would go even faster.

amzimmy
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