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| G wizz Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Uk Vehicle(s): Dont own a G anymore, Too expensive!!!! Posts: 686  | ||
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| elevatorbernie Expert Date registered: Aug 2006 Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada Vehicle(s): 1989 280GE Posts: 1347  | RE: G's and the environment... G wizz - 5/22/2007 12:37 AM That's nothing, you better stock up on gas masks because our permafrost is melting, and it's going to do more than smell bad lakes and seas give off a huge amount of various gases from roting vegitation etc, one lake in particular killed a whole village in Africa, twice, due to it releasing toxic gases.  | |
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| Re: G's and the environment... G wizz - 5/22/2007 10:42 PM global warming,why has no one mentioned global dimming http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/dimming_trans.sh... Well, what about Dihydrogen Monoxide? http://www.dhmo.org/ | ||
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| elevatorbernie Expert Date registered: Aug 2006 Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada Vehicle(s): 1989 280GE Posts: 1347 | RE: G's and the environment... Brent - 5/22/2007 12:16 PM Tell that to the poor souls who where ground zero for 2 of them ...I find it a bit ignorant and arrogant to assume it is man causing these problems, if in fact there is really a "problem " at all. For gosh sakes guys, the world has detonated several nuclear bombs and we didn't appreciably damage the planet....  | |
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| elevatorbernie Expert Date registered: Aug 2006 Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada Vehicle(s): 1989 280GE Posts: 1347 | RE: G's and the environment... Brent - 5/22/2007 12:16 PM It's easy to blame something we are not responsible for, yup the Sun is getting hotter and sure it fluctuates, it's been getting hotter for the last 4 billion years though. However, if you really think the gazillion tonnes of smog that we have pumped into our atmosphere are not to blame for our trouble, then hold out for the sun's big finish in about another 5 billion years...things are going to get really bad..... then you we be right in placing the blame. I might as well throw my tow cents into the ring as well. Whether or not the global temp is rising in a trend that will actually ever make a difference in our lives is rather debatable. If in fact it is rising the best evidence of the cause lies with the suns temp increase lately. If you look at the sun temp data it correlates almost directly with fluctuations on earths surface temps. Wild concept I know, the sun heating the earth, but it sure looks more plausible than man causing the problem.  | |
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| Boy G Expert Date registered: Feb 2007 Location: Bushveld, South Africa Vehicle(s): Diesel G's: 617A and 602 Posts: 1683 | ||
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| clubgwagen.com Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: gwagenpreserve.com Vehicle(s): 300GE Cabriolet Posts: 736 | RE: G's and the environment... Yes, it is one of the most amazing things to me, that western culture and capitalist virtues seem to go hand in hand with the continuation of age - old fear tactics. Sure religions have been imparting their version of it for eons, and scaring those non-conformers into submission has been the goal, usually with much success of controlling populations thru cultural hedgemony. Think of how much further along we could be without these influences controlling the follower personalities. I always have said, that if TV was unavailable in the USA for just one month that we'd jump ahead 5 years+ in thought and more importantly our people would start to get their priorities back into a more "live your life" order. Nonetheless, we each still have a choice, to be overtaken by fears, and not question what the media, the gov't, science, religion, even our own friends and family tell us. Note from so many of these posts on the thread how folks tend to be "so sure" of their opinions being the right one for the world and yet not backed by facts they can publish with those opinions. So much of the world lives in lies, lies of all kinds. The ability to question, to analze, to logically think, is a talent of the human race that is under-utilized. If anything having to do with "environmental change" is neccessary to protect our well being, its going to be to strip our cultural environment of these scare control tactics. Anyways, there is no doubt that there is significant damage going on to the atmosphere of the earth due to chemicals released thru rapid industrialization of the world. I think each person should do their part. So what if my one car running WVO doesn't change the world, but I can tell you that awareness can. For instance, I have never been one in support of hybrid cars, but yet I can say even though there are the "ecocryts"who scoop them up to show off their "higher moral aptitudes and virtues" they are somewhat good, not becuase of each cars little insignificant impact on fuel volumes traded, or on pollution, but again becuase of the awareness factor. This awareness factor makes people curious. And to be able to be curious is also on of the great talents of the human being. Curiosity brings forth questions, questions bring analysis and theory, analysis bring tests, tests bring facts. If hybrids never came along with their ecocryt virtue advertisements for instance, my 73 year old mother would not have spoken to me about smog and pollution. At least she is reading up on it now, even though they still choose to drive a northstar V8 (hey they are italian and in florida!!), but nonetheless, they are giving it some thought. What is all this really doing? It's giving folks who care to investigate, to really research, to get grants, get funding, for studies that do matter to all of us in the future. Whether all the theories pan out or not does not matter to me, but the gathering of more real hard science for the future generations to apply should also be seen as a positive impact even though it cannot be directly measured today. Like Harald, I don't need to push my green virtues like the ecocryts. Yes, my 300GD runs entirely on WVO, yes its our only daily driver, yes my unimog does great on biodiesel, yes I live in a "green building", but note when you see my cars, there are no billboard stickers shoving these "choices" i've made in other's faces. And even though I do these practices out of my own choosing, I still get harassed by annoying tree hugger hippies if I need to remove a hazardous tree from my land, or excavate for a retaining wall in my yard. I do it becuase I want to. That's it, period. But I am rare. Not so many have become fortunate to see the light I see, the light that tells me, hey nothing matters except living your life to the fullest, and helping those around you, whether friend, stranger, family, to do so as well. Judgement is a horrible divider in our world's culture. It is a very negative result of religious teachings amongst other things. Should I be a good valued person because I fear judgement? Or should I be that way becuase I PERSONALLY believe its what is most human? I err on on the latter. The unfortunate part of hybrids, and over-sensitizing the issue, is that only some facts are given light, while others of more serious brevity remain covered up. What we see here is a shelving of public opinion in regards to industrial pollution and waste (ie power plants, factories, chemical companies, etc etc). This shelving occurs when we focus too much on the little stuff. For some, it might seem right, to do what one can on their own to be "grass roots" about change. But this brings this post back full circle to what really counts in my opinion and that is wide-scale research and fact based awareness, which is what empowers groups of people to make changes on a larger scale, ones that really make a difference. Did you know that CO release by vehicles is only 7% by cars?? Well I knew that before I converted to WVO. So what difference am I making on the whole. Negligable. But so what, I know that it is what I PERSONALLY believe is right for my family, to be as sustainable as possible. The only thing that should be feared is making decisions based on BS, whether that is in support of green initiatives or against! So folks, let's really check our facts before we go jumping off in favor of hydrogen cars, or E85. Let's really make sure that we check our facts that sending boys to die for the purposes of elitist benefits make sense. Am I anti war? Well sure generally, but if you are going to be putting my rights at risk, then I'll be coming after you. But if you are not, then I am not going to fight you (or support others that do)over resource allocation and capitalist greed.     Edited by clubgwagen.com 5/24/2007 10:08 AM (Pict0283.jpg) Attachments ----------------  Pict0283.jpg (53KB - 4 downloads) | |
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| G wizz Elite Veteran Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Uk Vehicle(s): Dont own a G anymore, Too expensive!!!! Posts: 686 | ||
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| 4x4abc Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: La Paz, Baja California, Mexico Vehicle(s): 02 G500  | ||
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| mb230s Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SWFL Vehicle(s): G-less for now, vintage MBs, FJ40 | ||
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| DUTCH Administrator Doppelgänger Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: US, GA, Atlanta Vehicle(s): 2015 Audi Q7 3.0 TDI,2018 Sprinter Posts: 9963 | ||
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