Welcome Guest. ( logon | register ) | ||||||
|
|
|
| Topic Tools | Message Format |
Author |
| ||
jordanb Regular Date registered: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Vehicle(s): 1986 560 SL; 1985 280 GE LWB Posts: 57 | 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install I am considering replacing the gas engine on my '85 280 GE with a 617A engine and have some air conditioner related questions: 1) What is the suggested solution to mount AC comperssor on a 617A engine (please note that my G already has AC)?; and 2) What type of comperssor would you suggest? Thanks! | ||
#94241 | |||
Author |
| ||
dai Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon USA Vehicle(s): 300GD 300TD BMW R100RS Landini 80F Posts: 2110 | Re: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install Rotary compressor, and use the search function at the top of the page. Look for posts by Stevesmith. He has the hot setup/bracket. You will find photos and a lot of info. Do a search on the benzworld forum as well. This was covered there too. -Dai | ||
#94249 - in reply to #94241 | |||
Author |
| ||
Kuzuki Date registered: Dec 1899 Location: Vehicle(s): | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install Hi Jordanb, here is pic of the setup Mike Edited by Kuzuki 10/30/2007 9:44 PM (30_1363769_1210200411124AM.jpg) Attachments ---------------- 30_1363769_1210200411124AM.jpg (47KB - 28 downloads) | ||
#94250 - in reply to #94241 | |||
Author |
| ||
jordanb Regular Date registered: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Vehicle(s): 1986 560 SL; 1985 280 GE LWB Posts: 57 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install Thanks! | ||
#94310 - in reply to #94250 | |||
Author |
| ||
NOPEC Extreme Veteran Date registered: Feb 2008 Location: Babylon, Long Island, NY Vehicle(s): 1985 Mercedes 300GD Posts: 374 | Re: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install I searched and searched the forum for this A/C install and found nothing, can anyone provide us with the direct link? | ||
#125627 - in reply to #94241 | |||
Author |
| ||
stevegsmith Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA USA Vehicle(s): 82 300GD WVO, 06 Jeep Lib CRD B99 Posts: 1301 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install Here are a couple more pics of the York compressor bracket (that came stock on some mercedes sedans) modified for the Sanden compressor. If I can find more info or pics, I'll repost. (new.bracket.JPG) Attachments ---------------- new.bracket.JPG (43KB - 19 downloads) | ||
#125633 - in reply to #94241 | |||
Author |
| ||
stevegsmith Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA USA Vehicle(s): 82 300GD WVO, 06 Jeep Lib CRD B99 Posts: 1301 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install more pics. The main issue was getting the turbo intake, alternator bracket, and thermo housing and outlets to work together. I sourced the thermo housing (I think from a 200D) but don't have those part numbers in front of me at the moment. I'll dig them up if anyone is interested. One flaw in the design though (currently dealing with) is the belt tensioner pulley. The york style pulley is probably fine but the bracket has to be reinforced where the adjustment arm attaches to the bracket. My bracket cracked at this location due to the vibration and demand on the pulley from the long belt....I suspect. I'm thinking a pulley tensioner with the threaded rod type adjustment would be better than the swing arm type. I haven't had a chance yet to source parts so I haven't completed the fix. If anyone has a pulley part suggestion, I'd love to hear it. Steve (DSCN0377.JPG) (DSC00018.JPG) (DSC00020.JPG) (DSC00022.JPG) Attachments ---------------- DSCN0377.JPG (176KB - 15 downloads) DSC00018.JPG (59KB - 12 downloads) DSC00020.JPG (59KB - 12 downloads) DSC00022.JPG (61KB - 16 downloads) | ||
#125636 - in reply to #94241 | |||
Author |
| ||
genghis03 Veteran Date registered: Sep 2007 Location: Left Coast, USA Vehicle(s): Posts: 250 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install stevegsmith - 6/30/2008 11:23 AM I sourced the thermo housing (I think from a 200D) but don't have those part numbers in front of me at the moment. I'll dig them up if anyone is interested. I'm interested Steve! I have this setup with the Sanden compressor in my 460, but soon will be swapping the motor for a 617A turbo diesel, and I've been thinking long and hard about how to keep my A/C (need it in the 100 degree heat out here!). Thanks,
| ||
#125638 - in reply to #125636 | |||
Author |
| ||
Fernando BR Date registered: Jan 2007 Location: Brasil Vehicle(s): G500/05 300GE/91 300GD/80 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install Nice system Steve !!!!! Did you use the original system inside? Liked a lot the belt invertion cranckshaft/water pump/ alternator ...to compressor /crackshaft / water pump. The Ac / crack shaft to alternator crack shaft ! Are you using a large belt instead the double one? Edited by Fernando BR 6/30/2008 8:35 PM (AC1.png) Attachments ---------------- AC1.png (38KB - 9 downloads) | ||
#125658 - in reply to #94241 | |||
Author |
| ||
dai Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon USA Vehicle(s): 300GD 300TD BMW R100RS Landini 80F Posts: 2110 | Re: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install That bracket was used in 220 and 240 diesels that had the York A/C compressors. It makes R+R of the wasserpumper a time consuming job but if you must have A/C in the G this is the way to do it. The thermostat cover is also from a 200/220 diesel and probably the 240D. The 617 thermostat cover will not work with the A/C bracket. It might be possible to use the alternator threaded rod from an older non A/C alternator setup from an early sedan to tension the A/C pulley. The A/C equiped motor alternators used a cheesy tension setup that will not work. The only problem I have had with those early idler/tension pulleys from the old motors is the failure of the bearing in the pulley. They handled the long belt routing well. The fastener to hold the tension adjustment had to be really tight. Again this is relating to the 220D and early non 123 chassis 240D sedans. -Dai Edited by dai 7/1/2008 12:58 AM | ||
#125679 - in reply to #125638 | |||
Author |
| ||
stevegsmith Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA USA Vehicle(s): 82 300GD WVO, 06 Jeep Lib CRD B99 Posts: 1301 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install Fernando BR - 6/30/2008 4:31 PM Nice system Steve !!!!! Did you use the original system inside? Liked a lot the belt invertion cranckshaft/water pump/ alternator ...to compressor /crackshaft / water pump. The Ac / crack shaft to alternator crack shaft ! Are you using a large belt instead the double one? That aftermarket unit is very much like the one I used to have. I removed it and installed a stock unit I removed from a 280GE. Lots of mods involved but much cleaner in the cab. I'm using a single v-belt. I will track down part numbers tonight and try to post tomorrow. | ||
#125680 - in reply to #125658 | |||
Author |
| ||
stevegsmith Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA USA Vehicle(s): 82 300GD WVO, 06 Jeep Lib CRD B99 Posts: 1301 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install Okay, so here's some more info. I don't have part numbers for the hoses, so in that regard, you're on your own. My upper radiator hose is pieced together using two uppers from different engines and a steel pipe for the splice. I might have a part number buried somewhere for the lower hose and will post it if found. The thermostat housing is from a 68-73 220D, 615 engine. Upper piece 6152030074 Lower piece 1152000115 The water pump housing is the one that came with my 83 vintage 617 A from an 300SD. 6172010501 Good luck. Attachments ---------------- turbo_transplant_thermo_housing.pdf (89KB - 48 downloads) | ||
#125734 - in reply to #94241 | |||
Author |
| ||
elevatorbernie Expert Date registered: Aug 2006 Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada Vehicle(s): 1989 280GE Posts: 1347 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install Old post, but I have a few questions about this AC setup, maybe Steve Smith can chime in. Shown in this picture, is that part the lower hose is connected to...the water pump housing or another piece? thanks Bernie (new.bracket.JPG) Attachments ---------------- new.bracket.JPG (86KB - 7 downloads) | ||
#188259 - in reply to #125734 | |||
Author |
| ||
Boy G Expert Date registered: Feb 2007 Location: Bushveld, South Africa Vehicle(s): Diesel G's: 617A and 602 Posts: 1683 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install I know your truck is probably lhd and therefore this mount is irrelevant but this was how I got mine sorted. I did a drawing of this bracket if anyone wants a copy. (PA200035.JPG) Attachments ---------------- PA200035.JPG (141KB - 8 downloads) | ||
#188280 - in reply to #94241 | |||
Author |
| ||
Jonathan Joseph Expert Date registered: Oct 2006 Location: Charleston, South Carolina Vehicle(s): 2004 G55 Posts: 1538 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install Bernie That's a separate piece. See the hose on the upper end of it? That little hose connects to the water pump or block I can't remember now. I had to replace that little hose and that little aluminum fitting comes off with it. I guess it's just a splitter to allow that heater hose to connect. Jonathan | ||
#188309 - in reply to #94241 | |||
Author |
| ||
elevatorbernie Expert Date registered: Aug 2006 Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada Vehicle(s): 1989 280GE Posts: 1347 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install Jonathan Joseph - 4/18/2011 4:52 AM That's what I thought too, however Steve S posted this for me over on cgw. It is part of the water pump housing. The one I have on my turbo engine doesn't have the pipe I've marked with an arrow, it only has a small pipe to the heater. This water pump housing has to be used with the type of t-stat housing he's using or there's no place to hook up the inlet hose from the rad. BernieBernie That's a separate piece. See the hose on the upper end of it? That little hose connects to the water pump or block I can't remember now. I had to replace that little hose and that little aluminum fitting comes off with it. I guess it's just a splitter to allow that heater hose to connect. Jonathan (Untitled.png) (IMGP3337.JPG) Attachments ---------------- Untitled.png (150KB - 5 downloads) IMGP3337.JPG (102KB - 5 downloads) | ||
#188372 - in reply to #188309 | |||
Author |
| ||
elevatorbernie Expert Date registered: Aug 2006 Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada Vehicle(s): 1989 280GE Posts: 1347 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install Boy G - 4/17/2011 3:31 AM Thanks Andrew, you sent me a copy awhile back, great job on the design and drawing, but my G is LHD and the steering box is in the way. However the drawing is still helpful and the design might be adapted (made in reverse) for use on the right side of the engine where the alt is located. The alt could be moved up top RH side. thanks again bernieI know your truck is probably lhd and therefore this mount is irrelevant but this was how I got mine sorted. I did a drawing of this bracket if anyone wants a copy. | ||
#188373 - in reply to #188280 | |||
Author |
| ||
stevegsmith Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA USA Vehicle(s): 82 300GD WVO, 06 Jeep Lib CRD B99 Posts: 1301 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install Hey Bernie. How's this? (617A_mod_thermo.JPG) Attachments ---------------- 617A_mod_thermo.JPG (159KB - 6 downloads) | ||
#188417 - in reply to #94241 | |||
Author |
| ||
elevatorbernie Expert Date registered: Aug 2006 Location: Vancouver B.C. Canada Vehicle(s): 1989 280GE Posts: 1347 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install stevegsmith - 4/19/2011 4:28 PM Thanks Steve, that pic really clears up the mystery, were you able to find the # for the pump housing?Hey Bernie. How's this? | ||
#188437 - in reply to #188417 | |||
Author |
| ||
stevegsmith Expert Date registered: Apr 2006 Location: SF Bay Area, CA USA Vehicle(s): 82 300GD WVO, 06 Jeep Lib CRD B99 Posts: 1301 | RE: 460 Diesel Conversion & AC Install elevatorbernie - 4/19/2011 11:57 PM stevegsmith - 4/19/2011 4:28 PM Thanks Steve, that pic really clears up the mystery, were you able to find the # for the pump housing?Hey Bernie. How's this? Not yet Bernie. I was kinda hoping Mark J would ID it. He's good at that stuff. I'll keep poking around. | ||
#188456 - in reply to #188437 | |||
« View previous thread :: View next thread » |
|
|